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My off peak and peak tariff charges do not match the half hourly readings?

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I have a SMETS 2 meter and when I checked my charges recently I discovered I was being overcharged at peak rates for a portion of my off peak use. My current smart meter was installed in February when the previous one stopped sending data.

Since February I calulate that I have already been over charged by over £60.

My OVO app (and my TESLA battery app) report the half hourly data and agree with the data reported on my bill. The total electricity consumption I am billed for is correct but the allocation of cost to peak versus off peak use is wrong and seems to vary month to month. 

I am 79, not very techy, so can anyone explain this? I have in dispute with OVO now for nearly eight weeks (very unhelpful) so if I cant get a resolution I have to go to OffGem.

Best answer by Firedog

Updated on 09/12/25 by Ben_OVO

The total electricity consumption I am billed for is correct but the allocation of cost to peak versus off peak use is wrong and seems to vary month to month. 
 

It isn’t surprising that the half-hourly usage figures don’t tally with the reported peak and offpeak meter register advances, although the difference won’t normally be significant.

A SMETS2 meter configured for multi-rate operation with different tariffs at different times will normally see to two actions at the same time; at the start of an offpeak period, the meter will both start recording usage on the offpeak register and also switch on power to heating equipment like storage heaters. The reverse happens at the end of an offpeak period.

The most common arrangement of this sort is the venerable Economy 7 (E7) plan, where electricity is charged at a cheaper rate between midnight and 07:00. Smart meters are precision instruments, so the switch would take place at the same millisecond in every E7 system. Suddenly increasing the demand by 10-15kW for many households in a neighbourhood could cause problems for the network joining them all to a substation. For this reason, every SMETS2 meter has a built-in randomized offset that delays the switching times (both for the register and for the heating load) by a few minutes for each offpeak period. The offset is unique and immutable for every meter, and it will usually be less than 10 minutes. 

Well and good. However, records of half-hourly consumption aren’t subject to the same offset. They will be recorded with millisecond precision for 48 periods each day. This means that - taking the aforementioned E7 plan as an example - the first bucket of each day contains ~10 minutes’-worth of usage at peak rate and ~20 at offpeak. The same applies at the end of the period, but it’s often less significant, because it’s likely that the heavy load will have reduced before the end of the  7-hour slot.

You are billed for what the meter registers record, not for how much the half-hourly data buckets contain, so there is no question of overcharge in a situation like this. It can happen, though, if the switching times of heavy loads like storage- and immersion heaters aren’t controlled by the meter but by their own timers.  It’s important to ascertain the precise switching times of your system to avoid this sort of extra expense.

That is the usual explanation for the difference between meter advance and usage data. There is also the question of the change to and from British Summertime. Meters won’t normally alter their behaviour at the change, but some less modern time switches, like many of those controlling overnight immersion heaters, will need adjusting by an hour twice a year. Alternatively, they can be set to switch on at, say, 01:30 instead of midnight, and off again at 07:00 - it’s unusual for an immersion heater to take more than 3 or 4 hours to heat a tankful up from cold.

If you’d like to share some of the figures you’ve been examining, we could take a look to see if there’s something else afoot.

 

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LuppittAuthor
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August 26, 2025

Many thanks.

On the last point, yes. It will be more of a problem when the sun goes down in November and onwards and I start to use more offpeak to charge battery. As I did not sit up after midnight I cant be sure when it racked up the extra unit. 

I will take a look at the TOU tonight, if I can say awake long enough!

 

I did double check the times - it seems we are BST and my phone (and the TESLA app) adjusts automatically. 

The TESLA app gives me lots of flexibility.  The off peak times for charging the battery are  00.00 - 07.00. I could easily reset to 00.15-0645, but will look at TOU first.

 

A minor point - I get a fair amount of “creep” during the day with 0.01 units popping up on the charts when I am running off the battery + sun and strictly speaking should not be placing any demand on the grid.

NPH
LuppittAuthor
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August 26, 2025

Hi BPlight

“The timing to charge batteries from the mains (assuming a solar PV system) is controlled by the inverter. You should be able to see settings via its control system (normally web or app based).”

I dont have a specific app for the inverter. The whole system was installed as being completely integrated and all timings etc controlled via the TESLA app. I wiould need to check  with the installers whether  the inverter could somehow be out of sync with the TESLA system. My understanding is that it is controlled. The TESLA app shows exactly when charging and discharging is taking place and the source (sun vs grid) and destination of power (to grid if full or to house on demand).

The TESLA app on my phone allows me to set the Econ 7 peak/offpeak times. Now that I know about the offset issue  I will need to wait until there is less sunshine (next few days the forecast says) which may result in more draw down from the grid. For weeks I have been drawing almost nothing and the problem really only manifests in the non-sunny months of the year. 

NPH
Firedog
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August 26, 2025

The off peak times for charging the battery are  00.00 - 07.00.
  

Assuming that those are local times, at this time of year, they should be 01:00 - 08:00 as dictated by your electricity distributor, National Grid. Because of the randomized offset, you should alter these to, say, 01:20 - 08:00 and remember to shift back an hour on 26 October.

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LuppittAuthor
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August 26, 2025

Interesting. When you say “local time” I presume you mean BST not GMT?

All my times are set to BST and change automatically with the clocks.

I have just added up all the kWh used for the period 0000-0030 for the bill I have shown (6 Feb - 5Mar.

The units used are 97.  This number is twice the size of the discrepancy I am seeing in my bill - which is about 30 units. So, bear in mind that meter is sending data at 15min intervals, that difference is not too far off the discrepancy I am seeing IF 15 min of peak time is being added to my off peak time that would be roughly that amont.

I am going to check the TOU rates1&2 tonight and in the morning.

I will raise the randomised offset issue with OVO in my next communication with them.

NPH
BPLightlog
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Super User
August 26, 2025

..

 

A minor point - I get a fair amount of “creep” during the day with 0.01 units popping up on the charts when I am running off the battery + sun and strictly speaking should not be placing any demand on the grid.

This can happen given the very slight delay in the electronics of the system switching battery and solar in or out as required to balance the demand. 

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
Firedog
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August 26, 2025

I have just added up all the kWh used for the period 0000-0030 for the bill I have shown (6 Feb - 5Mar.
  

You will never be able to nail down the difference precisely, because you don’t know to the minute when each Wh was consumed - only the total over a 30-minute period. So you don’t know how much was recorded as peak in the first few minutes after the nominal switch to offpeak, and similarly how much was recorded at offpeak after the nominal switch to peak in the morning. To get some sort of estimate, you have to find the precise tariff switching time, and so the amount of the delay in minutes. Then check what extra peak usage was recorded during the first half-hour of ostensible offpeak time and similarly at the end of the offpeak period. Subtract the one from the other to get an indication of the extra charge.

[E.g.  The delay is 10 minutes. You use 600Wh in the 30 minutes from 00:00 to 00:30. So ~10/30 x 600 = ~200Wh potentially billed at peak rate. Similarly, you use 150Wh in the 30 minutes from 07:00 to 07:30, of which ~50Wh might have been billed at offpeak rate.]

You might also check what was going on in early April, when it’s possible that your battery was being charged according to Tesla’s timetable, starting at midnight, when your offpeak rates first kicked in at (perhaps) 01:10.  

 

… meter is sending data at 15min intervals,
  

I wonder where you get that idea from. The smart meter will record the amount of energy passing through it every half-hour, and it will also take a snapshot of the meter register readings at midnight (GMT) every day. Assuming you have opted for half-hourly data, OVO will normally poll the meter once a day for these data - 48 half-hourly figures and two register readings - and record them in your account. 

The meter should be sending data via the communications hub to your IHD every ten seconds. A gas meter would send data to the communications hub on the electricity meter every 30 minutes. I don’t know of any data set that is being sent at 15 minute intervals, but it’s possible that your generation meter is doing just that. 

 

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LuppittAuthor
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August 27, 2025

Hi Firedog.

There is an array of lights which blinks every time a signal is sent every 15 seconds  (not minutes!)- although the record shows only the summation - half hour readings.

None the less my problem is solved. On all the helpul advice I got from you I checked the TOU register which I didnt know existed (and OVO did not raise with me).

My meter is currently set at 0100 and 0800 ie an hour later than I have been repeatedly told by OVO. OVO have insisted that my meter is set up correctly.  So the first hour of my “off peak” use was being charged at peak rate. I use basically nothing between 0700 and 0800 but whatever I do use should be peak rate.

I have just sent screenshots to OVO and hope that they now accept their advice has been wrong and will reimburse me.

What remains unclear is how the timing is set up on this meter and whether the meter always runs on GMT or is on BMT and changes over automatically

NPH
Emmanuelle_OVO
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August 27, 2025

Hey ​@Luppitt

I’ve added an EV badge to your profile so other community members with green tech can identify you 😊

I’m glad to hear your problem is solved & that our community members were able to offer some helpful advice here. 
 

 

My meter is currently set at 0100 and 0800 ie an hour later than I have been repeatedly told by OVO. OVO have insisted that my meter is set up correctly.  So the first hour of my “off peak” use was being charged at peak rate. I use basically nothing between 0700 and 0800 but whatever I do use should be peak rate.

I have just sent screenshots to OVO and hope that they now accept their advice has been wrong and will reimburse me.

What remains unclear is how the timing is set up on this meter and whether the meter always runs on GMT or is on BMT and changes over automatically

 

Keep us posted with what the support team says. 
 



The peak/off-peak hours are set by the Distribution Network Operator (DNO), who know best how to balance their load. The timings are GMT all year round. 

 

Some smart meters compensate for this when the clocks change, while others don’t. Some time switches powering off-peak equipment (e.g. storage heaters and immersion water heaters) also compensate, but it may take a manual adjustment to the timer clock to show the same time as other clocks in the house. It usually makes no real difference either way, unless you find that a heater is switching on at midnight when the cheap rate doesn’t start until 1AM (if this does happen, then the ON period should perhaps be adjusted to exclude the first and last hours of the advertised period).

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Firedog
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August 28, 2025

There is an array of lights which blinks every time a signal is sent every 15 seconds  …
 

Is this array the one on the Communications Hub (CH) with labels SW, WAN, MESH, HAN, GAS? When things are working properly, the WAN and HAN lights should flash at 5-second intervals to indicate that connections have been made to the two networks. The SW one may also flash to indicate that settings rather than data are being transmitted to the CH. The GAS light will only shine for those who also have a smart gas meter. That leaves the MESH one, whose behaviour I’m not familiar with. With your special Cellular + Mesh CH, your meter is connected to the WAN and to other meters nearby. This arrangement is used in areas where WAN coverage is patchy; so long as one of the meshed meters has a good connection, the others will be able to take advantage of it. So the flashes you see don’t indicate that data are being transmitted - just that the connections are active.

  

None the less my problem is solved. … My meter is currently set at 0100 and 0800 ie an hour later than I have been repeatedly told by OVO. … the first hour of my “off peak” use was being charged at peak rate.
 

Not quite, I think. We first had a look at data from February and March, where there was a significant difference between what the meter registers said and what the half-hourly data reported. That was before British Summertime started, so the advertised offpeak times were the same as your meter was recording and your battery was adhering to. That’s why I suggested you have a look at figures from April, when it’s more likely that the battery was taking charge from the grid. This would have resulted in the first hour’s usage being billed at peak rate.

I hope you’ve established just when your offpeak period starts and ends. It would be simplest to see this betweem 08:00 and 08:10 as I suggested earlier - just keep an eye on that Active TOU Number until it changes.

I’ve mentioned the IHD a few times, but I can’t see that you’ve reacted. Did you get an IHD when the new meter was installed? Is it working properly? It can be very helpful if you learn to love it, and it can save a lot of delving into dusty meter cupboards. You’ll find a wealth of other helpful information about smart metering alongside that page: Smart meters & in home displays (IHDs) | The OVO Forum

 

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LuppittAuthor
Rank 2
August 28, 2025

Sorry signal every 5 secs!

The BST issue is now sorted with OVo. I remain pretty cross with them because I raised it early on but kept getting the same answer 0000-0700.  Eight weeks to get clarity.

The discrepancy in Feb to March 5bill  remains. It is possible that this is an artefact of the way half hour readings are recorded. For example does a midnight reading correspond to the half before or after midnight? They only put one time point on the record instead of the time period it corresponds to.  I have asked OVO and await the answer.

By the way yes I do have an IHD. I must give it closer look as I had rather regarded it as rather pointless!!

All the best

NPH