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+I have a relative who has Economy 10 with an old SSE-era RTS meter. She has long wanted to have a smart meter installed due to mobility issues and consequent difficulties in reading the current meter, but I have told her not to, because she would lose her E10 tariff.

I now understand that Ovo will be able to offer E10 on a smart meter, but she has yet to be contacted regarding a meter switch. She is in MPAN area 17.

Should she wait for a letter, or contact Ovo? I understood that Ovo were writing to all RTS customers, starting from August, but she has heard nothing yet? Can you give any information regarding  progress on this rollout? 

Wouldn’t bother. They’ve sent me three emails now to switch,saying each time there’s available appointments in my area and when you contact to book ,they tell you there isn’t any. 


I’d suggest the emails are misleading people and thinking about complaining as it’s just a lot of hassle and stress. The documentary re smart meters on Channel 5 last night only confirms it.


Blastoise186
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  • October 25, 2024

@mrsparkles5481 Chances are the slots were opened up - but just got gobbled up rapidly by folks with fast fingers. It does happen!

More slots will open up ASAP.


@mrsparkles5481 Chances are the slots were opened up - but just got gobbled up rapidly by folks with fast fingers. It does happen!

More slots will open up ASAP.

I tried within minutes of the emails being sent ,as did many people I know in my local area,so find that hard to fathom. I will be making a complaint re the email comms as it is misleading customers in my mind.


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You’re not the only ones trying to get slots though - folks across the entire country are.


You’re not the only ones trying to get slots though - folks across the entire country are.

Absolutely,but I still maintain OVO should NOT send emails out when it’s not true. So my complaint stands.


Shads_OVO
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  • October 28, 2024

Hi @macman,

 

I can see our forum volunteer has already given some good advice here. Have you managed to get in touch with the Support team about this? Please let us know how you get on.

 

Hi @mrsparkles5481

You’re not the only ones trying to get slots though - folks across the entire country are.

Absolutely,but I still maintain OVO should NOT send emails out when it’s not true. So my complaint stands.

 

I’m really sorry to hear this.

 

It may be worth contacting the Support team about this again so they can check if there any available appointments at the moment. 

 

Here’s a link to our complaint procedure too:

 

https://www.ovoenergy.com/feedback

 

Let us know how you get on.


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  • October 31, 2024

Just a quick note to say that I had my install done this morning.

All seemed to go OK, it’s just passed 13:30 and my storage heaters have started to charge up, which seems correct for E10 with the afternoon slot 13:30 - 16:30.

Guy said mine was a straightforward change, no complications.

Time to go and put a washing on !!

Hopefully I don’t need to come back and visit this thread to complain about anything in the future, but thought it was worth reassuring those waiting that things can go smoothly !


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  • October 31, 2024

… I had my install done this morning. All seemed to go OK, it’s just passed 13:30 and my storage heaters have started to charge up, ...
    

 

That’s really good to hear - thanks for telling us! 

Please remember that it can take a few weeks for everything to settle down - things like billing, updates to the national database and other things that all take time - so don’t start panicking until mid-December. Keep an eye on your online account to see how things are progressing.
 


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  • October 31, 2024

Sorry, forgot I did have one quick question. 
Do I need to submit the final readings from the 2 old THTC meters into my online account, or will the engineer have submitted them in some way ?


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  • October 31, 2024

Just a quick note to say that I had my install done this morning.

All seemed to go OK, it’s just passed 13:30 and my storage heaters have started to charge up, which seems correct for E10 with the afternoon slot 13:30 - 16:30.

Guy said mine was a straightforward change, no complications.

Time to go and put a washing on !!

Hopefully I don’t need to come back and visit this thread to complain about anything in the future, but thought it was worth reassuring those waiting that things can go smoothly !



 

That’s good to know.  I should be getting mine done this Monday.


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So my dad had his meter install yesterday. Before engineer arrived, I took the 2 meter readings and submitted them to his account, probably slightly less than actual final readings. 

Engineer arrived about 4.35Pm and was out of the house by 6.15PM, the first thing they do is make sure the new meter can connect to the mobile phone data network before starting install - eng said if meter does not connect they are not allowed to install. 

The engineer explained to me system works like before - there are still 2 separate circuits - off peak and peak same as THTC, and that both though are now available 24/7 - and that all economy 10 settings are programmed in the smart meter. So will watch interestingly when heaters are coming on to charge. 

I never got a chance to look at it last night, but in home display looks very good. Although my dad might just put it in a drawer. 

I will be back in today, and take some photos, I have photos pre-change. When I get meter serial number - will see if I can register it on loop energy app to see if I can monitor from there. 


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  • November 1, 2024

thelearner - I hadn’t heard of the loop energy app. I installed it and it found my new meter that was installed yesterday. Unfortunately it can’t give accurate cost figures, as it doesn’t work with Economy 10 tariffs. It does show usage, but just the total, not the split between peak and off-peak.
It might still be useful for you though to see overall usage


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… make sure the new meter can connect to the mobile phone data network before starting install - 

- there are still 2 separate circuits - off peak and peak same as THTC, and that both though are now available 24/7 - and that all economy 10 settings are programmed in the smart meter.

 

This old pedant has a couple of comments:

In NE Scotland, meters connect to the smart meter Wide Area Network (WAN) over Long-Range Radio, not (yet) any mobile phone network. 

There are two separate circuits, but it’s not helpful to refer to them as peak and offpeak. The main circuit is always live, often called constant. The other is only live during the offpeak hours, turned on and off by a time switch inside the meter. This circuit is often called switched. If you look at the meter, the engineer may have marked the new cables (“tails”) to identify them*; my live tails are marked LC and LS so I can see which one feeds the constant circuit and which the switched circuit.

The switched circuit will power heating equipment, particularly storage heaters and water heaters. You may find that this equipment is also connected to the constant circuit; this allows for (a) local controls on some sorts of storage heater and (b) boost functions to deliver power (at peak rates) out of offpeak hours if necessary.

It’s important to check that the switched circuit is only live during the offpeak hours as dictated by the Economy 10 plan. 
    


Once upon a time, the live wires were red and neutral ones black. This all changed twenty years ago to brown (line) and blue (neutral). Some time after that, it was decided that this sort of cable should have a uniform grey sheath. Nowadays, to find out which cable will kill you if you drill through it, you have to strip the sheath off to see what colour it is underneath. 
  


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Once upon a time, the live wires were red and neutral ones black. This all changed twenty years ago to brown (line) and blue (neutral). Some time after that, it was decided that this sort of cable should have a uniform grey sheath. Nowadays, to find out which cable will kill you if you drill through it, you have to strip the sheath off to see what colour it is underneath. 
  

For what it’s worth, there are 2 layers of insulation on these modern cables with different colours .. the theory being that you can see a break in the outer insulation before exposing the bare metal. 


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  • November 1, 2024

Engineer arrived this morning, fine chap, first thing he did was put shoe covers on.  THTC system (in Caithness) quickly replaced with Smart Meter on Economy 10.  I switched the storage heaters on and waited for 1.30pm, the start of the ‘economy’ period and a couple of minutes later the red light came on to confirm charging.   Great stuff, happy camper...


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  • November 1, 2024

Engineer arrived this morning, fine chap, first thing he did was put shoe covers on.  THTC system (in Caithness) quickly replaced with Smart Meter on Economy 10.  I switched the storage heaters on and waited for 1.30pm, the start of the ‘economy’ period and a couple of minutes later the red light came on to confirm charging.   Great stuff, happy camper...


 

Good to hear.  My turn on Monday.  Hope it’s as successful.  Do you also have an immersion heater?  Presumably it will also come on at these times?


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  • November 1, 2024

I’ve got an immersion which is on the same circuit as the storage heaters, so would have come on for the 10 hours of Economy 10.
I know there’s a thermostat, so it’s not actually on for all 10 hours, but a year or so ago, I fitted a timer switch, and have found that for my needs it only needs to be on for an hour a day. Your usage and level of insulation on the tank may vary from mine.
In the summer when the storage heaters are off, then I could see the actual usage of just the immersion, and changing it to 1 hour a day I’m saving about 1 unit per day - so took about 6 months for the savings to cover the cost of the timer switch, and now saving about £80 per year


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Hi Mo59.  I’m the same as ManseRunner - water on same circuit as the heaters.


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  • November 1, 2024

… the guy said it was too complicated and would have to call in the experts.
  

For anyone reading this thread, it might be an idea when talking to Support about a forthcoming installation to upload a photo or two of the meters and their surroundings: close-ups of the meters, then ones showing the cables from the service head (where the main cable comes in through the wall or from underground) to the meters and from the meters to the consumer units (fuse boxes). This might avoid an unnecessary journey like the one Karen’s engineer made.

Well maybe since you are reading this you could inform the folks that call to arrange the appointments to ask for photos if necessary. I would gladly have provided photos in advance. They asked many questions about needing ladders etc but at no point did they ask if everything was in the same place. I could easily have told them meters outside and distribution directly through the wall. I assumed this was not something ‘unusual’. Unnecessary journey for the engineer also = unnecessary stay at home all morning for me! 


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... you could inform the folks that call to arrange the appointments to ask for photos if necessary.
 

Have a look at my signature - I don’t have any back door access to the support staff. My time in these forums has taught me that it’s much easier to help customers if we can see their equipment, so photos are always welcome whenever there’s a question about meters. Even if they only show an ordinary arrangement, that at least rules out many of the pitfalls that an extraordinary one might lead us to suspect.

Don’t shoot the messenger! 


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  • November 1, 2024

... you could inform the folks that call to arrange the appointments to ask for photos if necessary.
 

Have a look at my signature - I don’t have any back door access to the support staff. My time in these forums has taught me that it’s much easier to help customers if we can see their equipment, so photos are always welcome whenever there’s a question about meters. Even if they only show an ordinary arrangement, that at least rules out many of the pitfalls that an extraordinary one might lead us to suspect.

Don’t shoot the messenger! 

Sorry only self defence since it felt like you implied I wasted the Engineer’s time when I only followed ovo procedure. If the support staff have any sense they will follow this forum and learn from it how to avoid ‘unnecessary journeys’. I also wanted to see how folks in my area got on with the meter change.


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  • November 1, 2024

… you implied I wasted the Engineer’s time …
  

I’m really sorry if you got that impression - of course there’s no blame on your part at all, and absolutely no intention on my part to suggest that there was 🙇‍♂️
 


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  • November 2, 2024

Just something to keep an eye on. Thanks to the intervention of the support team on this forum I got my installation resolved with E10 switching the second circuit correctly and changing price.

However since then my meter has decided to change back to a standard tariff at all time, the second is still switching at E10 times so I’m not sure how long it’s been doing this for.

I’ve got this resolved yet but keep an eye on your meter folks.


Shads_OVO
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  • November 4, 2024

Hi @ByeeTHTC,

 

Happy to hear you managed to get this resolved. Thanks for bringing this up, this might be helpful for others in the same situation.

 

 


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  • November 4, 2024

Just had my RTS controlled THTC set up replaced just now.  First check will be to look and see if the heating and hot water come on at 1.30pm like they should.  Pleasant engineer who has done a tidy job so hoping everything works ok.


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