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Smart meter not sending readings to Octopus

  • November 26, 2024
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My smart meter appears to have stopped sending data/readings to Octopus as of 10 days ago.  It was installed 5 years ago and always worked fine.  The WAN light still flashes every 5 seconds so I cannot understand why it isn’t communicating. Octopus have suggested an engineer attend to conduct a “power cycle” but this won’t be for another month. Can anyone explain why this would not be communicating data and if there is anything I can do about it?  And if there is anyway to ensure meter readings data is captured to prevent me being charged a flat rate instead of the Octopus smart rate (I’m on Intelligent Go).  Thank you 

Best answer by DJKS

OK. I’ll say it again: the problems that were reported in the thread BP referred to were confined to Aclara meters. Pictures might have led us to think that (a) other types of meter were affected by this problem, (b) one or two more Aclara meters have been shown to be affected, or (c) the problems reported here have a different cause altogether. I see from your profile (pointing at your display image and selecting About) that you do indeed have an Aclara SGM 1412 - one down, one to go!

Clear photos remove much of the ambiguity that a response like ‘I have a Landis + Gyr E470’ or ‘it’s a Single Phase Watt-hour Meter’ would otherwise give rise to.  

Thanks ​@Firedog and ​@nealmurphy for the replies.  I ran the n3rgy report and appeared to get a positive report (the only warning was re the security cert expiring), and as mentioned all lights on the CH are flashing normally - so it sounds like ​@nealmurphy and I have a similar problem? 

 

The engineer has just been out and run the power cycle which he said could take up to 48 hours.  He seemed fairly dismissive of it being a firmware issue.  Rather - he thought it was likely down to poor mobile signal in the area (he is right, our 02 signal indoors and in the area is dreadful and rarely achieves more than one or two bars on 3G).  I gather the CH in the area (SE London) runs off the mob network and he advised that if the CH loses signal it will try to reconnect for a period (a few days or a week he thought), but after that it just gives up.  He said the power cycle should re-establish the connection - albeit we’d then be a risk of it happening again.

 

He advised asking Octopus for a dual fuel meter upgrade if the power cycle didn’t resolve things.

 

UPDATE: Engineer just called 20 mins after doing power cycle to say it was showing as having reconnected - so data should reappear in Octopus app etc soon.

 

I’ll report back to confirm

Thanks

20 replies

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
November 26, 2024

Hi ​@DJKS ,

I can try to advise, but I need to see photos of your meter first.

Thanks!

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BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
November 26, 2024

There are events which can cause this ​@DJKS but usually, the meter can be encouraged back into transmission. 
The best method is to report your missing readings via their customer support. If you’ve already tried email, then follow up via Twitter (X) and ask for a manual pull of your readings. 
Just occasionally, a meter reset is required (power cycle) but often that is not necessary.

Your meter should hold the readings for some time ready for reconnection 

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Emmanuelle_OVO
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Retired Moderator
November 27, 2024

Hey ​@DJKS 

Sorry to hear of the issues you’re having

We have a number of topics which may have some helpful advice:
 

 

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DJKSAuthor
Rank 2
November 28, 2024

There are events which can cause this ​@DJKS but usually, the meter can be encouraged back into transmission. 
The best method is to report your missing readings via their customer support. If you’ve already tried email, then follow up via Twitter (X) and ask for a manual pull of your readings. 
Just occasionally, a meter reset is required (power cycle) but often that is not necessary.

Your meter should hold the readings for some time ready for reconnection 

Thank you for the reply. To check - how are you suggesting I report my missing readings? Is there some way of pulling the data from the meter? I’ve tried using Bright App but that didn’t work (my IHD is showing usage so I know it’s not a local issue). 
 

were you suggesting I just manually record the readings (it would be quite cumbersome given the smart tariff requiring multiple readings each day)?  I wasn’t sure what you meant by asking for a “manual pull” of my readings?  Octopus have said they don’t seem to be able to connect from their end.  Thanks

BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
November 29, 2024

Earlier this year, a number of meter/coms hub combinations stopped transmitting data possibly due to a faulty firmware update. 
Users reported this and some were told (myself included) that the meter needed to be power cycled. 
My own experience was that after initially being told this from their customer support, I continued to ask for missing data to be recovered and I believe they provided a firmware fix, possibly via DCC, the central data hub. 
I found the best contact route available was via a DM to their Twitter feed which resulted in them manually requesting a data pull which sorted the problem (normally the data requests are batch loaded and automated).

Your meter will retain a few months of data records (I think possibly 3) and so this allows for retrospective data recovery.

Some CS agents don’t appear to be trained in this aspect and so that is why it’s best to continue to ask for your data to be recovered. 
You mentioned Bright. Did you have data previously via that route and if so have you reported the missing data via them? They have been very helpful in getting to the bottom of this issue with other customers 

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nealmurphy
Newcomer
Newcomer
December 2, 2024

@BPLightlog interesting you mention a potential faulty firmware upgrade. Mine stopped communicating mid-October, and I suggested a power-cycle, but currently awaiting the next steps from the tentacled-one. Apparently it's a bit of a strange one and has been escalated, so perhaps it is firmware related.

BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
December 2, 2024

@BPLightlog interesting you mention a potential faulty firmware upgrade. Mine stopped communicating mid-October, and I suggested a power-cycle, but currently awaiting the next steps from the tentacled-one. Apparently it's a bit of a strange one and has been escalated, so perhaps it is firmware related.

It took me a while to track down and get things sorted but there has been quite a few reports from users with different suppliers who had problems. 

I use a Hildebrand Glow IHD and so continued to get local reports but Hildebrand themselves saw a pattern with a spike in users reporting missing data. I was told that my meter needed a power cycle but after several probes to OE support, I believe that my system had an update and it’s been fine since then. 
Being an unusual issue, I suppose it’s not surprising that it took a while to diagnose and sort. 

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DJKSAuthor
Rank 2
December 3, 2024

Earlier this year, a number of meter/coms hub combinations stopped transmitting data possibly due to a faulty firmware update. 
Users reported this and some were told (myself included) that the meter needed to be power cycled. 
My own experience was that after initially being told this from their customer support, I continued to ask for missing data to be recovered and I believe they provided a firmware fix, possibly via DCC, the central data hub. 
I found the best contact route available was via a DM to their Twitter feed which resulted in them manually requesting a data pull which sorted the problem (normally the data requests are batch loaded and automated).

Your meter will retain a few months of data records (I think possibly 3) and so this allows for retrospective data recovery.

Some CS agents don’t appear to be trained in this aspect and so that is why it’s best to continue to ask for your data to be recovered. 
You mentioned Bright. Did you have data previously via that route and if so have you reported the missing data via them? They have been very helpful in getting to the bottom of this issue with other customers 

Thanks for the reply. I’ll give the Twitter feed a try and ask about the manual pull + firmware update.  Certainly going via regular CS on phone didn’t get anywhere besides the long queue for a power cycle.  The CS rep said they tried a couple of times to re-establish the link but whatever they tried didn’t work.  

Re Bright - no I’d not used them or the App before, I just downloaded to try to see if there was any way of pulling the data locally in fear/anticipation of Octopus wiping everything on the meter and getting charged a flat rate for 2 months+ energy.  The advice from the Hildebrand team was that they thought my Communications Hub is no longer on the WAN and therefore not reporting back to the DCC (as they were not able to get a response from my meters).  This is despite the WAN light flashing every 5 secs which I’d understood was normal.  

 

DJKSAuthor
Rank 2
December 13, 2024

Earlier this year, a number of meter/coms hub combinations stopped transmitting data possibly due to a faulty firmware update. 
Users reported this and some were told (myself included) that the meter needed to be power cycled. 
My own experience was that after initially being told this from their customer support, I continued to ask for missing data to be recovered and I believe they provided a firmware fix, possibly via DCC, the central data hub. 
I found the best contact route available was via a DM to their Twitter feed which resulted in them manually requesting a data pull which sorted the problem (normally the data requests are batch loaded and automated).

Your meter will retain a few months of data records (I think possibly 3) and so this allows for retrospective data recovery.

Some CS agents don’t appear to be trained in this aspect and so that is why it’s best to continue to ask for your data to be recovered. 
You mentioned Bright. Did you have data previously via that route and if so have you reported the missing data via them? They have been very helpful in getting to the bottom of this issue with other customers 

So by way of update, I contacted the Twitter team, asking about the manual pull and whether it could have been a firmware issue (citing your and others’ examples of this resolving the issue).  Unfortunately and despite a couple of requests, they just came back to say the power cycle was the recommended solution.  It’s booked for next week so hopefully it get resolved then.

Firedog
Super User
Super User
December 14, 2024

 ​@DJKS There’s a handy little utility that may be able to return a report on the state of your communication devices: n3rgy data Smart Meter check. Enter your MPAN and tick the tiny confirmation box. 

It will only work if the meter is communicating, so if you do see the report, you know that WAN communication is established. You can safely ignore warnings about security certificates, like this one:

Warning: Security Certification will expire in less than 3 months or has already expired …

It would be strange if (a) you get a positive report and (b) the WAN lamp is flashing at 5 second intervals, but no data are getting through to users (i.e. Octopus or Hildebrand). Let’s hope kicking the CH by power-cycling it will help.
 

[You never did post the photos that Blastoise asked for on day 1 - they’re always helpful when we’re trying to help diagnose meter problems.] 

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