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Power Move - New challenge information and changes to Power Move
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Blastoise186
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  • February 5, 2025

Howdy!

Gonna flag this up with the Forum Moderators and Power Move team. Bear with me and I’ll be back ASAP!


  • Carbon Cutter****
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  • February 5, 2025

Hi

 

Yes that's exactly the same as I'm having

See as 

Stuart

 


The decision to move away from a guaranteed discount, and replace it with “a number of entries into a raffle in which you *might* receive a discount”, makes the entire exercise fairly pointless.

I factored in the Power Move discount into a decision to remain with OVO, and in fact it was the tipping factor that made me stay, but this change to Power Move does away with surety and replaces it with, what… a lottery. Thanks but no thanks, I’ll be changing supplier.


Blastoise186
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  • February 6, 2025

Power Move team are on it - I’ll keep you posted when they reach out to me again


Abby_OVO
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  • February 6, 2025

Hey ​@stumadey ​@susielwilson53 

 

Sorry about the issues you’ve been having trying to sign up to Power Move. I'm going to reach out to you via private message to gain some details so we can check this for you.

 

Look out for a PM here soon.


Nukecad
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  • February 6, 2025

Do we need a reality check here?

One 'not-guaranteeed' reward/prize has been replaced by a different type of 'not-guaranteeed' reward/prize, - and because of that some people are talking about changing supplier.

That a bit like saying "My local pub used to put free peanuts out on the bar, now it only puts free crisps out. I prefered free peanuts so I'm changing my local to another pub".
(One that doesn't put nibbles out at all).

Your choice of course, but it seems a disproportionate over-reaction to me.


Blastoise186
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Nukecad wrote:

Do we need a reality check here?

One 'not-guaranteeed' reward/prize has been replaced by a different type of 'not-guaranteeed' reward/prize, - and because of that some people are talking about changing supplier.

That a bit like saying "My local pub used to put free peanuts out on the bar, now it only puts free crisps out. I prefereed free peanuts so I'm changing my local to another pub".
(One that doesn't put nibbles out at all).

Your choice of course, but it seems a disproportionate over-reaction to me.

Why didn’t I think of saying that! Well said boss! XD


  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • February 6, 2025
Nukecad wrote:

Do we need a reality check here?

One 'not-guaranteeed' reward/prize has been replaced by a different type of 'not-guaranteeed' reward/prize, - and because of that some people are talking about changing supplier.

That a bit like saying "My local pub used to put free peanuts out on the bar, now it only puts free crisps out. I prefered free peanuts so I'm changing my local to another pub".
(One that doesn't put nibbles out at all).

Your choice of course, but it seems a disproportionate over-reaction to me.


The previous system was guaranteed. How was it not? Hit your target, and get a guaranteed reward. 
 

Anyway, as I have detailed earlier in this thread, PM was keeping me with OVO despite there being a lot of reasons for me to change supplier. So to suggest that I am overreacting to just this change is quite insulting


Blastoise186
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With the old system, you could miss the top target by 0.01% and basically lose out pretty hard as a result. With the new system, anyone and everyone who plays the game and hits the target has a chance of winning the top prize no matter how well they did. The rules are set up so that the top prize (currently the 5 x £2,000 energy credits) are ALWAYS dished out first before anything else, so that everyone in the draw has a chance of having their ball being pulled out of the digital washing machine and getting the top prize as a result.

The only thing to note is that once you win a prize in one of the draws, you can’t win again for the same draw, meaning your remaining entries are hoovered up and spat out of the remaining draws for that month. You can win again from the following month though! So if you’ve got seriously good luck, you can in theory stack up multiple wins in a row and have a lot of credits hit your account.

It could be said to be more fair that way. If you want to leave, then just go - we’re not stopping you - but you shouldn’t just quit off of a knee-jerk reaction. It’s advisable to think more carefully first...


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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • February 6, 2025

Really scrapping the bottom of barrel now!!!   

Instead of mucking around with lotteries why doesn’t OVO come clean about how much they would save if they could convince us to use move some of our consumption from peak to off peak, and then just pay us all a percentage of these savings???

 


Blastoise186
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I believe that discussion has already been held many times. I don’t think the figures are likely to be released anytime soon.


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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • February 6, 2025

Then, I have to assume that the figures that I have are in the right ball park: namely off-peak units costing OVO something like 10p, and peak units costing something like 20p.   Then, any scheme that doesn’t credit me with something like 5p a unit for units that I manage to move from peak to off-peak is a bit of a rip-off!!!   This seems very little compared with the up to £2 a unit we were getting last year for the Power Move Plus Events when the National Grid needed to shed load.  


Blastoise186
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I think it’s fair for me to ask in that case… Please provide evidence of where you got your figures from and how you worked it all out.

I don’t know what the others think, but to me it looks like you just plucked numbers randomly out of thin air!


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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • February 6, 2025

There’s a National Grid website that has the current “spot” price for electricity displayed in a few good chart, and I have watched it go all the way from £1 a unit to a few pence negative, but usually it’s something like 10p a unit off-peak and 20p peak.  As OVO haven’t released how much they pay, these are the best figures I have.  I’m deliberately not releasing the url of the chart for obvious reasons


Peter E
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That looks like the day-ahead market prices as I have said before. OVO doesn't trade on the day-ahead market except for small adjustments. OVO buys on the Futures market auction about six months in advance and prices paid are commercial-in-confidence so you will never know. OVO don't get refunds for energy moved from peak to non peak.

 

The Power Move Flex scheme is totally different. Payouts are funded and paid for by the National Grid DFS and those payments pass totally through OVO to the customer. If you want you can sign up to get paid independently of your supplier.


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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • February 6, 2025

We’re just going round in circles here!!!  If OVO won’t release how much less they pay for off-peak electricity (or what other incentives they have) then I have to use the only figures I have access to, and come to my own conclusions.  


Peter E
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  • February 6, 2025

You are free to do that as is everybody else


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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • February 6, 2025

And my conclusions are:

  1. Power Move wasn’t very generous and has become less generous, and I can’t use it any more, cos I don’t use apps.
  2. Power Move Flex/Plus was more generous, was worth the effort, and was quite fun.  And, as a side effect, I learnt about the power usage of my various devices, so I now know what’s worth turning off, if I can.   But, can’t use it anymore.
  3. No financial reason for staying with OVO.

  • Carbon Cutter**
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  • February 6, 2025

Challenge finished as far as I’m concerned I wouldn't bother. 


Blastoise186
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@LIZ55 it’s worth bearing in mind that many folks (such as myself!) still wish to play the game regardless of recent changes. Please allow them to make their own decisions and respect their wishes should they choose to do so.

Thanks


  • Carbon Cutter**
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  • February 6, 2025

I reduce my usage I always do but the power move is an insult. I got £6 not trying Jan, £12 Nov and Dec and a bit before when we were late joining and couldn’t find the link to join. I’ve been doing my bit all my life thank you. 


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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • February 9, 2025

I note that nobody has yet disputed my conclusions!!!


Blastoise186
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  • February 9, 2025

That’s because the Forum Volunteers - myself included - have already moved on from this thread. We have other things we need/want to focus on now. And besides, we have our own thoughts but we don’t have to share them publicly if we don’t want to.

As time moves on, new questions, visitors, puzzles and challenges make themselves known to us. And just as those new puzzles emerge, the Forum Volunteers adapt and refocus towards solving those. Our desire to continue a long running discussion where we haven’t always been respected by others? Let’s just say it’s not amazingly high… Thus, our decision to basically show a desire towards just moving on to other discussions where there’s less difficulty in hosting them.

To be honest… There’s also some discussions going on at the moment about wrapping up on this entire thread anyway and potentially bringing it to a close - these have been ongoing for several days now for various reasons.

A decision hasn’t been made yet AFAIK, but I don’t think there’ll be much further discussion after this point. Certainly unlikely from any of us anyway...

Farewell...


Firedog
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  • February 9, 2025
MGSteve wrote:
  1. Power Move Flex/Plus was more generous, was worth the effort, and was quite fun … But, can’t use it anymore.
     

Why not? The two schemes are quite separate. I’m barred from Power Move, but I happily take part in Power Move Flex. The app isn’t involved, and the increasingly frequent updates come by email.

[I dispute your claim that PMF was more generous, though ...]

 


Peter E
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  • February 9, 2025
MGSteve wrote:

And my conclusions are:

...

  1. No financial reason for staying with OVO.

If you can get a better deal with another supplier then moving on is the best thing to do. OVO's tariffs don't suit everybody. That is advice I would give to anybody.


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