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April 14, 2023
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Simple method to enable Charge Anytime with Solar Panels

  • April 14, 2023
  • 16 replies
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Charge Anytime sounds like a great innovation for anyone with an EV, but currently does not support Solar Panel owners as it is not possible to distinguish between energy coming from the grid (and liable for credit) and energy coming from Solar (or other home) generation (which would not be liable for credit).

Given that Solar energy is only created during day light hours, the scheme could have a “Charge NightTime” credit scheme, which would probably satisfy most EV and Solar Panel owners. Even during peak summer days, I note that my panels do not generate any electric after 9pm and before 5:30am. I live in Cambridge, so possibly in Scotland there’s a small variance, but I doubt more than 30 minutes. Hence “Charge NightTime” credit scheme could easily operate between 9:30pm and 5am and be satisfactory. (Currently I am on Economy 7 plan and hence only ever charge my EV between midnight and 7am, so this seems very reasonable to me).

Of course, someone may also have a battery associated with their Solar Panel system and could therefore “cheat” the system by charging their home battery from solar and then use the Home Battery to charge their EV at night time and get credit when it is not due. However I would wager that few people have a home battery system that can deliver a sustained 7KW delivery. Most invertors from battery systems are only ~3KW capable. You pay your money and make your choice (if the installer ever enlightened you about such a choice). The biggest I knew of was Tesla’s PowerWall 2 Battery that can deliver 5KW sustained with 10 second short peaks of 7KW. Charging a car is best done as fast as possible, though clearly there are use cases (the final few percent or significantly discharged battery in cold weather) when the charging rate should be lower. Hence to eliminate these possible cheats, a further limitation is placed on when credit is made such that the charging rate is 7KW (probably >6KW is good actual test), which can be validated by both data read from the Smart EV (they always show a charging rate, normally in mph), and even further validated by the Smart Meter in the home. If the charging rate is lower than 6KW, then the credit is not applied, but the car can still be charged at the normal tariff.

IMO, this should be a simple (software) validation test, (ie: after 9:30pm and before 5am, and charge rate >6KW in the car and by the Smart Meter) that would satisfy most EV Users for 95% of their needs. This still provides a 7.5 hour window for Ovo to decide when to charge EVs at low rate, (eg: excess wind power etc) with a potential charge for the User of up to 50KW in one evening.

It’s also fairly simple to explain to customers …..

16 replies

Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
April 18, 2023

Hi @Beprecise, nice idea this. 

 

A well articulated idea that seems like a good workaround for the current limitation of Charge Anytime and solar (if you have an Indra smart pro you can have both). 

 

This idea doesn’t sit within the remit of forum ideas strictly. It’s a product idea for Charge Anytime instead of our online tools. But rules are there to be broken… to some extent. Let’s open this up for votes and I’ll share it with the Charge Anytime team!

 

I should point out that the team are working very hard at opening Charge Anytime to anyone with solar. So hopefully this workaround will become redundant as a concept soon!

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Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
April 18, 2023
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Newcomer
June 24, 2023

This sounds a great idea for someone adding PV and who doesn't want to lose Charge Anytime for winter. 

No one would want to use the PV battery for the car as its required for the house at night. Nothing to gain unfairly unless it's well over 12kw?

Setting a car charger to use solar surplus only and anytime app to emergency charge works fairly as it just dials out the rebate I would think?  But a solution for winter is required for all the responsible new renewable owners out there and the suggestion here seems very very easy to apply. No rebate after sunrise or before sunset  Simple is always best. 👍

Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
June 26, 2023

No rebate after sunrise or before sunset  Simple is always best. 👍

 

I put this idea forward when the idea was first raised by @Beprecise and it was well received. A truly crowd sourced solution. Hopefully we can announce more on solar plus charge anytime soon. 

 

@Carlo III do you have an EV with charge anytime?

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Newcomer
June 26, 2023

I do Tim - supported by Anytime too.

Rank 2
September 8, 2023

Hi. Anymore news on this Tim?  Ie being able to charge at night if you have solar?  Thanks. Andy

Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
September 19, 2023

I’m coming back to this, @Jasisdad - I have not forgotten about it! 

Carbon neutral - we need a community to get there! My green tech: Aclara SGM 1411-B smart meter, Chameleon IHD6
Newcomer
October 16, 2023

Anything on this @Tim_OVO?

 

Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
October 20, 2023

Hi @RomPace, I’ve added interested members to a list to take part in the second stage of a trial for solar panels charge anytime customers. Would you be interested in this? 

Carbon neutral - we need a community to get there! My green tech: Aclara SGM 1411-B smart meter, Chameleon IHD6
Newcomer
October 20, 2023

Absolutely 100%

 

Thanks 

 

Juan