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Firedog
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Covering two questions here:

Octopus are coming up with a new special storage heater tariff, called Snug. Not only is the offpeak rate something like 10% lower than BG’s, you get an extra hour during the day at the low rate, too. So it’s worth shopping around.

Now, about Boost. This means different things in different contexts.

  1. Some storage heater users refer to a heater function which they call boost. This turns on the fan (if it’s not already on) to blow out warm air, but it can also fire up a separate element within the heater to boost the temperature a bit if the stored heat isn’t enough to keep you warm. 
  2. Immersion heaters for hot water tanks often have a boost function. This sort of tank has two elements, the main one at the bottom and a secondary one nearer the top. The first is typically wired to the offpeak circuit, so it is only operative when that circuit is live, e.g. during the night. This will normally heat up the whole tank to its set temperature and then turn itself off thermostatically. The second element is wired to the constant circuit, and is available to heat up the top third or so of the tank if you run out of hot water during the day. Any boost out of offpeak hours will be charged at peak rates.   
  3. The meter’s boost function simply provides power to the switched circuit if it’s not currently live. There are usually options for, say, 15- minute, 30-minute or 60-minute boosts. This can be used to supply power to the storage heaters’ charging circuits to heat up the bricks if they’ve gone cold, and if the immersion heater’s main element is also on this switched circuit, it will also have power available during a boost session.

I’m fairly sure that the meters OVO installs (Aclara, L+G) all have this function available, if you know where to look. I would expect other suppliers’ meters (e.g. Kaifa and EDMI) to have it, too.

Just bear in mind that you’re not charged for electricity you use according to what it’s for, only to when it’s used.

 


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@Firedog and others, can't thank your insights and great explanations enough. That makes sense and yeah basically what i was waffling about! I did enquire with British Gas but they scuppered the plan as we don't have a Quantum Hub fitted to go along with the correct heaters, and isn't a Quantum Water Heater (Elson Zircon direct unvented). Yes the boost for the immersion was more a concern, we try not to use but obviously on high output occasions, we currently heat with an old economy 7 boost box, but that's good to know. Will revisit Octopus with that one there in due course. Cheers all.


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Smart meter installed/replaced today, will update if any issues. Engineer was a lovely chap, gone for economy 10 as split over 3 sections in 24 hours. Just minding on we have a 210 litre unvented cylinder which was wired to heat in the offpeak previously, this should remain the same ie heat during those new off peak timeslots? Also the old economy 7 boost box was left in situ and advised to continue using this for a boost if required (but hopeful the boosts will be less necessary if heating up the water during 3 slots during the day). 


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Hey ​@Albot81 

 

Thanks for coming back to this thread with that update. Glad to hear things went well and the installation was successful!

 

Do pop back anytime with any other updates on how you get on or any questions you may have.😊

 


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Albot81 wrote:

Smart meter installed/replaced today, 
  

Congratulations on your new toy! It may take some time for everything to settle down, but keep an eye on things and come back here if something’s not quite right.

About hot water: a tank like yours probably has two 3kW immersion heaters, of which the upper one is for the boost. It takes about 11kWh to heat a full tank from cold (I used 10ºC to 55ºC), so that would take 3½ hours. You could do that three times every day if necessary at offpeak rates, but I doubt you could ever use that much hot water. I suggest you watch it carefully, e.g. switch it off one morning when you get up to see just how long the hot water lasts. You may be surprised. If you leave it on all the time, you may end up wasting electricity just to keep the temperature high in the tank when it’s not really necessary. (I’m afraid I’m not au fait with the differences between vented and unvented tanks, so I stuck to ‘O’ level physics.)


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@Firedog that's really helpful thanks! I'll keep you posted. U was just a little baffled as the engineer says the IHD does not have a boost feature, and if was needed outwith at any point to use the old e7 boost box, which i thought was redundant. But will keep an eye on.


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Albot81 wrote:

… the engineer says the IHD does not have a boost feature, and if was needed outwith at any point to use the old e7 boost box,
 

Cross-purposes again, I’m afraid. Please have another look at what I wrote back in November

Your boost box should still carry out its intended function: to energize the upper element in your hot water tank to heat up the top ⅓ of the tank (at peak rate, of course) should you run out. Only to be used in emergencies.

The meter’s boost function (to override its load control switch) was available on some old IHDs, but I don’t think any modern one has it. You’re not likely to miss it.
  


I found some statistics to show how much hot water British households use on average. The ones I found varied a lot, but something around 125 l/day seemed likely. Your 210 l tank would feed a whole household for up to two days after a 3½ hour charge. Something like 18% of a household’s heating cost is spent to heat water, much of it unnecessarily, I’m sure. Canny Scots will be less profligate ... 
  


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