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We're in a quandary, so any advice appreciated. Our development Landlord set up one supply both for six apartments (communal supply) and to cover outside lighting for all 17 properties (11 houses plus six apartments). Our management deeds confirmed an apportionment of 10% for apartments. The householders asked to have it reviewed and the independent review confirmed 8%. Suddenly 13 years later without our knowledge or permission (consumer unit access is in the apartment communal garden, and they only had permission to read the meter) the self managed management company for the estate ( whom apartment owners are also members of) put in a pulse meter and then demanded that the apartments  pay 50% of the bill as that's what their meter says! We are in the process of setting up a freehold company for the apartments so in that sense and in view of this and other disputes with the management company we would very much like to completely separate the supplies for estate lighting and apartment communal supply.  Is the cost of doing this prohibitive? If not, how do we go about doing it ASAP.

 

Thanks

Best answer by Blastoise186

Updated on 25/04/24 by Emmanuelle_OVO:
 


OVO Energy can now take on new connections. Some details of what to do is below:

In order to create a new electricity supply and install a new meter both the new electricity supplier and your Distribution Network Operator (DNO) would need arrange a visit on the same day. The DNO would install a new main fuse, and the supplier would fit the new electricity meter. The supplier would also do the administrational work required, such as creating and registering the meter point reference number (MPAN) on the database.

Is a new connection needed?

 

If you have a supply number already (MPAN for electricity, MPAN for gas) and a meter attached, you already have a new connection and you can switch via the normal way online (when available).
 

Are you a domestic customer?

  • Are you a domestic customer who will be living at the property
    • If no: we can only offer a new connection to domestic customers who'll be living at the property. 
    • If yes: continue to the next section below

 

Request a new connection

  1. We’ll need to have a check that you have the supporting infrastructure in place (as we'll only be joining the meter to the connections):
    • Electricity: cabling from the mains should already be on site
    • Gas: pipework from the gas main in the street should be on site
  2. If the main connections are available, our Support team can request a new connection from our operations team.

 

What you should know

  • We'll complete a few checks and confirm the date for an engineer visit
    • Please look out for this and contact us if the date isn't suitable
  • If we arrive and can't complete the new connection, we'll let you know why and next steps needed to resolve the issue
  • We'll install smart meters by default, and they'll be in pay monthly (credit/PAYM) setting
  • If you want a prepayment (PAYG) meter, we'll:
    • Install as pay monthly first
    • Check the meters are working correctly (so we don't leave you without supply)
    • Switch them to a PAYG tariff and account
    • Add any debt accrued in the PAYM setting, set at a repayment rate aligned with our current processes

 

Just while I’m thinking about this one however… Just thought I’d stop by again and add some more info that you might find useful.

My personal thoughts are that the best option might be to basically split up absolutely everything into unique supplies. I’d say it’s probably fine to keep all the outside lighting on one supply like it is now - it’s not worth splitting that part up into 17 tiny supplies because the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. And besides, I can’t really see there being much need anyway. Unless WPD say otherwise, you might be able to keep those on the current supply as they are now which might save a bit of cash.

If possible, I’d definitely recommend taking ownership and control of that supply back from the management company and get that pulse meter removed.

However, I feel that splitting up each flat into its own unique supply is for the best, as each one can then have its own meter and supplier which gives each resident the freedom to choose any supplier of their liking and have full benefits of Smart Meters. This would also prevent the existing management company from interfering and I think provides legal protections that’d prevent them from billing you for anything that goes through suppliers like OVO. It also, for the most part, eliminates you from any liability if someone doesn’t pay their bill or tampers with their supply.

Depending on the way the infrastructure is currently set up, there’s a bazillion different ways that the supplies can be broken up and migrated over to individual connections. I don’t have the experience to say which one is best in this case (I could easily tell you how to break up the supply for two schools though!), but I talk to WPD quite a lot and I know from experience that they’re extremely good at puzzle solving this stuff.

These are of course, just my personal thoughts. No doubt WPD will be happy to provide advice on how to implement such a solution. You would need an energy supplier to be involved as well and I think OVO can help there, but you’d also be free to get any domestic supplier of your choice involved. I’d recommend having one supplier initialise all the supply accounts to begin with just to make life a bit easier, but after that you’d all be free to stick or switch individually.

It may be worth getting together and deciding on which supplier you’d all like to initialise the connections with. If you need a hand finding the contact info for your chosen supplier, I’m happy to help with that no matter who you go for. WPD can help with the infrastructure, but a supplier will need to fit the meters. You may also need help from a qualified electrician to rewire certain elements.

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Hey there @DC88 ,

Sure thing! In fact, I strongly recommend doing this for multiple reasons, not least safety.

Please can I ask what region/county you’re in? I’ll need to ask your DNO for advice and knowing what region you’re in will allow me to speak to the right one. I can’t get specific information, but I’ll be able to get enough that it should give some direction which should allow me to give you a better answer.

Thanks!


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Hi

 

We're in the East Midlands. Derbyshire Post Code but North West Leics Council area.

 

Any advice gratefully received.


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Ta! Bear with me while I have a chat with with Western Power Distribution about this


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Ok, I’ve just had a quick chat with Ellie from WPD. She’d like you to get in touch with their team via https://www.nationalgrid.co.uk/contact-us/contacting-national-grid-electricity-distribution/general-contact-enquiries for this one as it needs a more detailed look-see than what can be offered directly.

Once you send that email in, Ellie or her team will be in touch. Keep us posted with how things go, as this stuff really helps others looking for answers.

Good luck with the migration! If there’s anything else I can do, feel free to let me know in this thread.


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Hi

 

Thanks so much for you help. I'll definitely keep the forum updated on progress and I'll email Ellie now.

 

Dee


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No worries! Ellie is expecting your email. If you include a link to this thread, she can use that as well.


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Updated on 25/04/24 by Emmanuelle_OVO:
 


OVO Energy can now take on new connections. Some details of what to do is below:

In order to create a new electricity supply and install a new meter both the new electricity supplier and your Distribution Network Operator (DNO) would need arrange a visit on the same day. The DNO would install a new main fuse, and the supplier would fit the new electricity meter. The supplier would also do the administrational work required, such as creating and registering the meter point reference number (MPAN) on the database.

Is a new connection needed?

 

If you have a supply number already (MPAN for electricity, MPAN for gas) and a meter attached, you already have a new connection and you can switch via the normal way online (when available).
 

Are you a domestic customer?

  • Are you a domestic customer who will be living at the property
    • If no: we can only offer a new connection to domestic customers who'll be living at the property. 
    • If yes: continue to the next section below

 

Request a new connection

  1. We’ll need to have a check that you have the supporting infrastructure in place (as we'll only be joining the meter to the connections):
    • Electricity: cabling from the mains should already be on site
    • Gas: pipework from the gas main in the street should be on site
  2. If the main connections are available, our Support team can request a new connection from our operations team.

 

What you should know

  • We'll complete a few checks and confirm the date for an engineer visit
    • Please look out for this and contact us if the date isn't suitable
  • If we arrive and can't complete the new connection, we'll let you know why and next steps needed to resolve the issue
  • We'll install smart meters by default, and they'll be in pay monthly (credit/PAYM) setting
  • If you want a prepayment (PAYG) meter, we'll:
    • Install as pay monthly first
    • Check the meters are working correctly (so we don't leave you without supply)
    • Switch them to a PAYG tariff and account
    • Add any debt accrued in the PAYM setting, set at a repayment rate aligned with our current processes

 

Just while I’m thinking about this one however… Just thought I’d stop by again and add some more info that you might find useful.

My personal thoughts are that the best option might be to basically split up absolutely everything into unique supplies. I’d say it’s probably fine to keep all the outside lighting on one supply like it is now - it’s not worth splitting that part up into 17 tiny supplies because the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. And besides, I can’t really see there being much need anyway. Unless WPD say otherwise, you might be able to keep those on the current supply as they are now which might save a bit of cash.

If possible, I’d definitely recommend taking ownership and control of that supply back from the management company and get that pulse meter removed.

However, I feel that splitting up each flat into its own unique supply is for the best, as each one can then have its own meter and supplier which gives each resident the freedom to choose any supplier of their liking and have full benefits of Smart Meters. This would also prevent the existing management company from interfering and I think provides legal protections that’d prevent them from billing you for anything that goes through suppliers like OVO. It also, for the most part, eliminates you from any liability if someone doesn’t pay their bill or tampers with their supply.

Depending on the way the infrastructure is currently set up, there’s a bazillion different ways that the supplies can be broken up and migrated over to individual connections. I don’t have the experience to say which one is best in this case (I could easily tell you how to break up the supply for two schools though!), but I talk to WPD quite a lot and I know from experience that they’re extremely good at puzzle solving this stuff.

These are of course, just my personal thoughts. No doubt WPD will be happy to provide advice on how to implement such a solution. You would need an energy supplier to be involved as well and I think OVO can help there, but you’d also be free to get any domestic supplier of your choice involved. I’d recommend having one supplier initialise all the supply accounts to begin with just to make life a bit easier, but after that you’d all be free to stick or switch individually.

It may be worth getting together and deciding on which supplier you’d all like to initialise the connections with. If you need a hand finding the contact info for your chosen supplier, I’m happy to help with that no matter who you go for. WPD can help with the infrastructure, but a supplier will need to fit the meters. You may also need help from a qualified electrician to rewire certain elements.


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  • June 2, 2023

Thanks so much for your reply. I will certainly explore this with WPD when I speak to them and update you on progress.

 

Dee


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