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A debate on marginal pricing and incentives to move energy usage to weekday off peak times


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Firedog wrote:

Putting things into - also historical - perspective, this page has a wealth of pertinent data: Energy (spectator.co.uk). Worth taking a peek now and then.

Anyone looking should just remember that UK territorial energy use has been "offshored" and makes us look better than we ought. We've shut much of our heavy use industry (ship building, steel making, plastic moulding and much more) and now buy in finished goods. The energy use is counted in the manufacturer's country and in shipping. 


waltyboy
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Ben Dhesi, developer of the Hugo app, hints at some interesting plans in the near future for integrating households’ consumption, tariffs, generating/storage/EV resources, etc. all in one app.  His Hugo website,  https://hugoenergyapp.co.uk    even apart from the app itself, I find worth exploring, especially taking on board the interesting comments above from @Peter E and others re marginal pricing. And all the very best and warmest to all on here for the New Year…


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I've seen various apps and web sites like that which @waltyboy mentions, all offering incentives for measuring and getting paid for reducing power use when the National Grid has an event.

They aren't doing it out of altruism; they're getting paid and from the sheer number of them, probably handsomely. It feels an expensive way of achieving reductions in usage, and open to fraud. The monitoring to prevent people signing up for more than one must itself be a complex and expensive process. 

It feels like there are too many, that they divide and hence reduce the benefit to the energy companies such as OVO, and also reduce their abilities to monitor the effect of offering things like the different power move events. 

Or is it just better for the National grid to have as many as possible ways of encouragement to maximise the overall effect? 


BPLightlog
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EverythingNeedsAUserName wrote:

I've seen various apps and web sites like that which @waltyboy mentions, all offering incentives for measuring and getting paid for reducing power use when the National Grid has an event.

They aren't doing it out of altruism; they're getting paid and from the sheer number of them, probably handsomely. It feels an expensive way of achieving reductions in usage, and open to fraud. The monitoring to prevent people signing up for more than one must itself be a complex and expensive process. 

It feels like there are too many, that they divide and hence reduce the benefit to the energy companies such as OVO, and also reduce their abilities to monitor the effect of offering things like the different power move events. 

Or is it just better for the National grid to have as many as possible ways of encouragement to maximise the overall effect? 

For those multi-channel offers, they are all registered with the UK National Grid and so with meter serial numbers being part of the registration, it is quite easy to remove duplicates (all scheme providers have to record and register participants).

In fact if any user is signed up to more than one, both become invalid. 


juliamc
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Ah ! Thanks @BPLightlog That would explain why I eventually failed in my attempt last winter. I signed up to Loop and got a few quid’s worth of Amazon vouchers (which I was able to pass on to charity at the end of the scene), then I joined the OVO scheme which I thought would overwrite the Loop membership. It did for one or two events then it all stopped working.


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juliamc wrote:

Ah ! Thanks @BPLightlog That would explain why I eventually failed in my attempt last winter. I signed up to Loop and got a few quid’s worth of Amazon vouchers (which I was able to pass on to charity at the end of the scene), then I joined the OVO scheme which I thought would overwrite the Loop membership. It did for one or two events then it all stopped working.

Yes, you need to actually unsubscribe from those you’re no longer involved in to allow the other to become valid


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