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Direct Debits - What do I need to know?

Direct Debits - What do I need to know?
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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • January 4, 2025

Hi ​@Blastoise186,

Not sure I understand your reference to "optional" in your reply?  Are you talking about OVO having no plans to bring back a comparitively priced variable DD?  Or any variable DD. 

If you are unable to answer my question re what happens to DD smoothing after March 2026 and don't wish to get bogged down in answering a supplementary question on variable DD, then I'd be happy for you to link me to one of your more definitive answers re variable DD.


Blastoise186
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As far as Ofgem is concerned, offering Variable Direct Debit is totally optional on the basis of it being a business decision for each supplier to make freely and individually - Ofgem won’t punish a supplier for not offering them. OVO simply made the choice to stop doing them a few years ago in full compliance with said rules.

AFAIK the bill smoothing will continue after March 2026, most likely retaining the same target date for all customers.

Please remember that you can’t demand I give you answers - I give them at my discretion.


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Hi ​@Blastoise186,  thanks for that.  Re demanding an answer - I appreciate your input, but I'm still keen to hear from anyone that may know what the period of DD smoothing will be post March 2026?  12 months, 18 months??

Maybe you know an OVO staff contributor to this forum that may know the answer?


Blastoise186
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I do, but I can’t access them until at least Monday


Nukecad
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You are not the first to point out that this ‘one time’ readjustnent to the end of March 2026 does not make sense for those of us on fixed tariff contracts that end before that date.

Although in the long run it doesn't make any difference in the shorter 1-year term it does look that way on the “recommend” direct debits - which wiil be “recommend” higher for some.

The big debate here is if that at is a redefinition of  just what “fixed tariff’ means.

 

EDIT- I do appreciate that this does currently also affect those who are on DD but not on fixed contract-  best I can say there is stick it out  til end of March 2025 and then it should be back to 12 months again.


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I wonder where the idea comes from that this is a ‘one-off’ arrangement, to be necessarily altered to something more reasonable at some date in the future.

The only favourable feature I can detect is that for those currently (or, say, at the beginning of the 2024-25 winter semester) in debt, their DD will be significantly lower than otherwise, because there are twelve more months allocated in which to amortize that debt. For anyone else, especially those with substantial credit balances at that juncture, the new arrangement is detrimental.

The fact that those on fixed-term contracts due to end before March 2026 are also sucked into the vortex is inexplicable. I calculate that even after reducing my DD as far as the online account allows, my balance at the end of my fixed-term contract would amount to almost six direct debits. One or two I could accept. Six, I can’t.

What can be the justification for this, ​@Bradley_OVO?


Nukecad
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Firedog wrote:

I wonder where the idea comes from that this is a ‘one-off’ arrangement, to be necessarily altered to something more reasonable at some date in the future.

I can only agree with that. - I’m going from the similar change last year for those on non-fixed tariffs which caused the same kind of ruckus at the time.

Whilst aligning to the financial tax year may make sense to accountants it does not always make sense to customers, especially those customers who have opted to fix their tariff at a different time of year.

To put it in a nutshell, I believe that it’s driven by the accountants to make their financial year end job easier.
If so then someone needs to give them a kick up the backside and remind them that in a service industry the customer is who matters not the numbers.

 


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  • January 14, 2025

Hi ​@Blastoise186,  I’m confused.  How come my original thread questioning OVO’s methodology re DD payment calculations determined beyond fixed price contract periods  and what will happen after DD’s have been aligned in March 2026 has been swallowed up into this 7 year old DD Tutorial.  Who has the permission to expunge my original thread?  If the answer to my question is in this tutorial it would have been more helpful to tell me than kill my original thread?  Which also is no longer in my forum account details.  All seems a bit Big Brother?


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It doesn’t look as if your thread was expunged - that’d mean that absolutely no trace of it remains and not even the comments would remain visible.

I believe it has, in fact, been merged with an existing thread as part of the weekly housekeeping tasks run by the Forum Moderators. Your comments are still attached to your Forum Profile, please feel free to review them at https://forum.ovoenergy.com/search/activity/reactions?userid=40752 . If you ever think your comments may have vanished into a mysterious black hole somehow, feel free to ping an email over to forum@ovoenergy.com and the Forum Moderators will investigate what happened to them.

While we can of course just link folks to the original article, most Forum Volunteers (myself included) prefer to provide a more personal response for each user and then let the Forum Moderators decide whether to keep that thread or merge it with the master later.


Ben_OVO
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  • January 15, 2025

Hi ​@Corgimajor 

 

Thanks for your comments, and sorry for any confusion caused by re-jigging this thread.

 

As ​@Blastoise186  mentioned, we constantly re-organise threads to keep everything in line to topics. Your comments have started discussions around Direct Debit reviews that are helpful for other users to see, so have been merged in an older (now updated) Topic.

 

We’re regulated to review Direct Debits by Ofgem, as a safeguarding measure to prevent customers falling into debt and making higher payments during the Winter. 

 

We’ve taken customer feedback on board regarding DD Reviews, and have chosen to base calculations up to March 2026 to ensure smoother Reviews which won’t result in such high increases seen in the old system, where DD Reviews were based on contract end date. Post-March 2026 plans have not been formalised, but we will reach out to customers with updates when we have them.

 

As for Variable Direct Debits mentioned previously - they’re not part of OVO’s business outlook at the moment, and there are no current plans to implement them.

 


Firedog
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Ben_OVO wrote:

We’re regulated to review Direct Debits by Ofgem, as a safeguarding measure to prevent customers falling into debt and making higher payments during the Winter. 

 

Surely the whole point of equal monthly Direct Debit payments is just to even out the cost of a whole year’s usage over the twelve months? The calculation does that, but if the balance is too low at the start of winter, it won’t prevent the customer from falling into debt - that would need another injection of cash at the beginning of the year. Extending the descent to zero by twelve months won’t by itself provide the safeguard you say is the explanation for this bizarre arrangement. 

  

Ben_OVO wrote:

We’ve … chosen to base calculations up to March 2026 to ensure smoother Reviews which won’t result in such high increases seen in the old system, where DD Reviews were based on contract end date.
  

If the Future Annual Consumption figure is reasonably accurate, there should be no need for any increase at all on review unless there’s a change in consumption. Most people will understand that increased consumption will inevitably lead to higher monthly outgoings.

“DD Reviews … based on contract end date” applied only to fixed-term contracts, not for customers on the Standard Variable Tariff. Ofgem expects these customers to reach a zero balance after one year, not eighteen months:

Where a consumer is in a credit position, we expect suppliers to reduce the associated Direct Debit level with the intention of returning the account as close to a zero balance over the next 12 months. 
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Direct Debit Market Compliance Review: Progress Update | Ofgem


When this change was introduced on 1 November last, my account was comfortably in credit. By the end of the year, I could see that when my fixed-term contract came to an end, my account would be in credit to the tune of more than six months’-worth of DD payments even if I reduced my DD to the recommended level. That can’t be right. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: this looks like an inequitable and unjustifiable scheme to get customers with healthy credit balances to subsidize customers in debt while they get their act together.

It’s bad enough that we’re all helping to write off some customers’ debt through a hefty increase in the Standing Charge, without also being required to pay more than necessary each month because some people are living beyond their means. 
  


  • Carbon Cutter**
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  • February 4, 2025

Hi, I just pay for my dual energy bill when I get it monthly,am I better to get a fixed rate deal with Ovo energy?


Blastoise186
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Hi ​@Katy65 ,

Long story short, you will be better off moving to a Fixed Rate Tariff for three reasons:

  • You’ll get a slight discount for paying by Fixed Monthly Direct Debit (which is the ONLY payment method available for OVO’s Fixed Rate Plans)
  • You’ll lock in a guaranteed rate for the entire contract period - and be safe from Price Cap increases during that time
  • Paying by Direct Debit is on average around £200 cheaper than using Pay On-Demand

  • Carbon Cutter**
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  • February 4, 2025

Thanks for your reply 

Can they put my direct debit up?


Blastoise186
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Yes, but they can also put the DD down too.

If you’re using more than predicted, your payments may need to increase to make sure you stay on track, but the opposite is also true. If you use less than predicted, you may find your payments get dropped automatically to reflect that.

Ultimately, you will only end up paying for what you actually use - the rest remains in the account as an account credit towards future bills.


Firedog
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Blastoise186 wrote:

Paying by Direct Debit is on average around £200 cheaper than using Pay On-Demand
  

That was true when prices were higher a couple of years ago, but it’s not quite as bad as that these days. The average household will  still pay almost £10 a month for the privilege of not paying by Direct Debit. The price cap for the typical dual-fuel household is currently £1738 p.a. for those paying by DD. For those paying on receipt of bill, it’s £1851 p.a.


 


Chris_OVO
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Hey ​@Katy65

 

Thanks to ​@Blastoise186 and ​@Firedog for their excellent advice.

 

I'd like to add to Blastoise's comments about Direct Debit fluctuations. When you "fix" your energy rate, you're fixing the "unit rate," or the price you pay for the energy you consume. The amount of energy you use determines whether your Direct Debit is on track. The system automatically reviews your Direct Debit every three months and adjusts it as needed to ensure your balance isn't too high or too low.


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  • February 5, 2025

Thanks for your reply,

What is simpler energy mean ?


Blastoise186
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Simpler Energy is the variable rate tariff. Don't select that if you want a fix deal.


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