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This was supposed to be a short piece. My apologies in advance to the part of your life you won’t get back after you have  read it but it does a condense a lot of thought and research into one article so I think it’s worth reading. To save time you  can skip the boxes.  

 

This is an personal journal of how the use of energy in one household has evolved over the past few years with a  surprising setback but also an unexpected development and future possibilities for getting towards Net Zero. However,  this is not about how a typical migration might happen. This is about an experiment that was kick started out of the chaos  that was the result of Covid and then Russia invading Ukraine and how it influenced my thinking about how to reduce my  costs with very high energy prices.. What is being presented here is more of a journal of what happened over the past  few years to our household and it’s about provoking thoughts and discussions on the various pathways by which Net Zero  may be achieved and it can only be achieved if it’s affordable. 

 

Technical note: In physics, Lagrangian mechanics is a formulation of classical mechanics founded on the  stationary-action principle (also known as the principle of least action – Ah, someone who understands  how I run my life).  

In the same way, I believe the path to Net Zero has to be the path of least cost for the consumers of  energy. If an option is not least cost then I don’t believe you will get the majority of people to take that  path. In fact, they won’t be able to afford it. I believe that all the actions I’ve taken on my path were least  cost, or at least speculation on the basis that calculations at least show they lead to a lower cost solution.  Very little of this was planned. I didn’t have any clue as to where this was going to go before 2020. It just  went down the path of least cost, and having seen a lower cost future, that is where this experiment is  probably going to go.

 

 

2014 – August - Changed my energy supplier to Ovo – At the time the UK were running a significant number of coal fire  power stations. Green Energy wasn’t such a thing as it is now. Certainly the thought of Green Energy wasn’t uppermost in  my mind. I had retired the year before and instead of spending time earning money I was now spending time looking at  ways of saving money. It’s what you do. My outgoings were somewhat more that my Railway Pension and I had to cut  costs. I axed my BT Broadband and went to EE. I paid up the mortgage with my Endowment which had performed better  than expected. Ovo was considerably cheaper than British Gas so I moved to a fixed plan and a SMETS1 Secure Smart  meter was installed.  

 

2020 – Time for an EV? – By this time the UK had decommissioned a lot of its coal fired power stations and wind power  had really ramped up. There is a lot of noise now in the media about Climate Change. This had taken over from Global  Warming as the dominant phrase. My 15 year old Ford Fiesta is now getting beyond its ‘Use By Date’ and I needed to  change for something that was less expensive to maintain. Covid suddenly strikes and the world goes into a tailspin  mainly of its own making as we would come to realise later on. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. World energy use goes  down, or at least stops rising. No one knows the chaos that will ensue in the near future because of the disruption to  energy production and the Ukrainians still firmly believe that the Russian’s threat to invade is just the usual sabre rattling.  I’m looking at getting an EV and a number of spreadsheets later it’s obvious that the Zoe ZE40 is the one for us. Jenny is  not so sure but generally trusts the decisions I make but to stop me making even more spreadsheets she agrees it’s  probably a good idea. There is no getting away from the fact we need to replace the Fiesta. I don’t have enough money  this year to buy a battery owned (as opposed to leased battery) ZE40 this year. Decision postponed. I buy a pair of ear  defenders so I can’t hear the noises that the Fiesta is making.  

 

November. On the Ovo front I take out a two year fixed plan at 15p a unit. This seemed an average bet at the time. Little  did I realise how good that deal was.  

 

2021 – Definitely time for an EV - March – we briefly looked at having solar panels and were quoted about £4,000 for a  full roof system. The result was that, without batteries, we could only use about 45% of the energy that we produced. We  could sell with the SEG but that is only 5p a unit at best. As far as I was concerned that was practically giving it away.  Batteries added another £2,000 but we were still only saving a few hundred pounds a year and most of that in the  summer. I had considered solar panels and car charging but this is a technical nightmare and if you can charge your car  for 7p a unit then there is not a lot of point in doing that. Solar really doesn’t have much going for it as far as I’m  concerned. On the face of it it’s ‘free’ energy but the payback time – the only criteria that you need to apply to any  capital expenditure – is about 10 years. No, EV it is, because I can’t afford both.  

 

July, we have enough money for a 2019 ZE40. There are three in England and one in Northern Ireland (not going that far  and it’s half in the EU so heaven knows what complications could arise with bring that into England). One in Morecombe,  one in Hartlepool and one in Plymouth. We look at the one in Plymouth, it’s a dream and we buy it. I don’t have a charge  point so I’m paying roughly 30p a unit at my local car park. That almost seemed extortionate at the time. If only we knew  what was going to happen.  

 

My EVSE (Electrical Vehicle Supply Equipment) Saga 

Time to get a Charge Point / EVSE and start the process. It’s going to cost £1,000 but I start it through Ovo.  The first issue is that I want the EO Mini Pro which was originally on Ovo’s sign up page but has now  disappeared. I call Ovo and they say I can go still with that. However, I’m looped. This means when my  estate was built in 1980, to save money, the DNO ran a cable into my house and ran a loop from my house  to my neighbour saving a bit of cable and not having to joint twice into the three phase feeder cable. To  have a 7kW unit I going to have to get my neighbour unlooped from me. They’re an older couple and we  get on well with them and we look after each other’s dog at times. Good neighbours. They don’t want  their garden dug up though as they’ve just had it re -landscaped. Mmm. I was adamant I wasn’t going to  get a 2kW slow charger. It takes a long time to charge and it has a host of issues including safety and lower  efficiency. The final straw came when the DNO wouldn’t respond to me (and never did) regarding  unlooping and registering a 7kW charger for capacity planning. I bought a 2kW Masterplug charging cable  from Screwfix for £150. At least I’m on 15p a unit now. Actually 18.3p/unit when the 82% efficiency is  taken into account. It would be 16.3p/unit with a 7kW unit. Later on it turns out that the EO Mini Pro was a  unit that was prone to disconnecting itself from the broadband even with a good signal but to compensate  it was very good at filling up with water. The company was hopeless at responding to customer  complaints. Looks like I saved money and dodged a bullet. I opted to fix three of the 2kW unit’s issues. I  added an Open PEN unit (fully disconnects the car on losing the three-phase earth back to the sub-station),  replaced the three pin plug with a Commando plug (overheat issue) and socket and bypassed the small  internal contactors (long term reliability issue) with an external contactor rated at 20A (for a 9.5A charging  current). The last issue, 82% efficiency because the Zoe takes about 300W standby power can be fixed by  upping the charge rate to 3.5kW. It would then be about 87%. 3.5kW because that is the limit that the  DNO will allow you to go without having to inform them and it’s a safe level if you are looped with a  neighbour. 

 

Side Note: The engineering of enclosures  

I have a lot of experience of keeping water out of enclosures. A lot of start-ups (and there really are a lot of  those without enough engineering experience) seem to think that all you need to keep water out of a unit  is make it IP65 or better. Wrong! Making it IP65 stops gross water ingress but doesn’t stop the unit  breathing in moist air when the atmospheric pressure changes and then condensing out on the inside  when the temperature drops. The water tightness of the unit then stops the water getting out.  Consequently it slowly and steadily fills with water to the surprise of everyone except people like me. You  at least have to have a drain hole, which then doesn’t qualify it for the IP65 rating. But it’s the IP65 rating  that sells units because people don’t know any better.  
 

I make my own units. They are fan ventilated at a very low rate. No filling up with water. No overheating in  direct sunlight. When I researched getting an EV I spent 90% looking at cars and 10% on charging it. With  hindsight, it should have been the other way around. The cars are just cars but finding a decent EVSE is not  easy. Good luck!  

 

September – We’ve only had the car six weeks and there is a perceived future shortage of fuel (by the press) caused by a  supposed shortage of delivery drivers. Panic buying fulfils the prophecy by creating a real shortage of fuel. We breeze  past filling stations with massive queues. Those that had no queues had no fuel either. Time to feel smug about having  made a timely call. In reality it’s just good fortune. 

 

Side note: The car we would have bought instead of an EV 

If we hadn’t bought the Zoe it’s very likely we would have replaced the Fiesta with a petrol Skoda Fabia  with a fuel consumption of about 11 miles/litre so all comparisons are now compared to that. With the  2kW charger I’m now saving an average of £75 a month on fuel costs. On top of this for petrol/diesel at  least 50% is tax. 70% of what you just paid tax on you throw away as heat. Some of that can be used in  winter otherwise it’s a complete loss. The EV is eerily silent (points on the licence for inadvertent speeding  

is now a real possibility but thank goodness for speed limiters), it’s the smoothest automatic you have ever  driven. I call it my magic carpet. We were going to keep the Fiesta for long journeys. A two car PHEV  solution if you like. Jenny said she was going to use it for that, not having the confidence to trust an EV to  do a long journey. The lack of confidence didn’t last long. She never drove the Fiesta again. It sat outside  unused and unloved so we sold it to a mechanic friend who could do the expensive cam belt change that it  needed. We have gone full BEV. No safety net. 

 

2022 – Winter came and we use the defrost feature to condition the car before driving. No more scraping ice and sitting  in a freezing car that is reluctant to start. At the press of a button on the key fob the car becomes warmer than the house  in 10 minutes. Russia invaded Ukraine. Everybody was shocked but we kept calm and carried on except the rest of the  world which went into Tailspin 2 and started grabbing LNG Gas Tankers like a Hungry Hippo game on steroids. We had  more money so we won that game at a considerable cost.  

 

July – Fuel shortages start. Gas prices reach astronomic levels and everybody is now in real shock due to the double  whammy of Ukraine being invaded and the post Covid recovery soaking up a reduced gas supply. Petrol is £1.92 a litre.  I’m still on my 15p tariff (sounds of hands being gleefully rubbed together) and now £140 a month better off (summer  BEV efficiency (4.8 miles / kWh – do the maths) vs petrol price). Energy suppliers go bust, EV prices skyrocket. We can’t  believe our good fortune. Everyone else is suffering badly but we aren’t because of a simple, earlier decision. The  impending huge increase in tariffs galvanises me into topping up the loft insulation to 300mm and the cost is a no  brainer. We also have cavity wall insulation from 2006.  

  

November. Our two year fixed deal ended. EBSS came and went.  

 

2023 - May my tariff is 34p and I’m still saving but it’s down to less than £40 a month. Not looking so good now.  

 

September - falling tariffs and summer BEV efficiency means I’m back up to saving £80 a month. To be honest, driving an  EV is such a great experience all round that I’m not overly bothered on the reduction in saving but more is better.  Electricity is also a lot greener now and only occasionally give in to the temptation of giving petrol stations the bird  (especially tempting when they put their prices up on a Bank Holiday) as I glide almost silently past.  

 

On an Ovo web page I saw there was an add on called Power Move. You could save £10 for September if you kept your  usage during the peak to less than 12.5%. I joined a few days into the month and very easily picked up £9.52 for  essentially doing nothing. Sometimes I had been charging partly in the peak but now this was all moved to 10pm and  later. I then succeeded in all the PMs from October to February. I decided to see if I could help out on the forum giving  tricks and tips to those who would listen. During this time I was reading up on power generation and a lot of the good  blogs came from Octopus and Squeaky that were just groaning with information and this explained how the market for  trading power occurs at different times. Futures market, Day Ahead and the Balancing Mechanism. This led me to pay  more attention to Agile Octopus, the Day Ahead market and pricing. Neither my car nor my charging set up was  compatible with Ovo Charge Anytime so I had no way forward there. I looked at other utilities but these either had  similar equipment limitations or had restricted hours. There is no good solution to be had apart from taking a risk with  one particular product.  

 

November – Ovo have a good rate for Heat Pumps so I’m now looking to go with one of those to be greener and save a  bit of money. I’m not expecting to save much if any. Back in 1999 British Gas put in a new boiler for me. The original one,  from when the house was built in 1980, had lasted 19 years and, incredibly, our Potterton 60e (gravity fed) boiler is 24  years old now. It’s 75% efficient so not too bad and I run it at the lowest possible temperature. It’s now old enough for it  to move out. Granted, it was well maintained and we have always had a wood burner stove which takes a lot of the  winter heavy lifting. This left the gas boiler to top up and even out the temperatures around the house with TRVs on the  radiators. We paid for a special offer Ovo EPC survey for £25 and £350 for a heat pump survey with Heat Geeks who had  a lot of good blogs on heat pumps. I also did a heat loss survey (it’s just physics) and had very similar results to HG. It  showed a deficiency in the extension on the front of the house where the extra radiator was too small for the heat losses.  All the other radiators were fine and we never had a problem with heating the house except for the extension and the  bedroom above it even on very cold days. The TRVs were good for keeping the temperature lower in the rooms we didn’t  use so much. I was expecting something like £11-12k and this was the guide figure for our size / type / age / insulation  level of house. You can imagine that we were a bit stunned when the quote came back at £16.5k. In the quote all the  radiators had to be replaced. The very same radiators that the old gas boiler was very happy to heat with a 50C flow  temperature and no wood burner. This is a 43 year old house (only four years above the average) with 22mm pipes  (newer properties have micro bore) , cavity wall and 300mm loft insulation. We would also have to be unlooped  (Nooooo, not again!) from our neighbours as before. You also can’t zone the house with TRVs as it reduces the efficiency  of the heat pump. That is a complicated story and best left to the Heat Geek blog to explain but essentially a heat pump  driving a conventional central heating system is only just able to reach it’s COP target. If you change the flow rate with  TRVs (you zone the house) you reduce the COP so much that keeping one room slightly cooler means that it becomes  even more expensive to heat the house.  

 

We declined and I was at somewhat of a loss to know how to make the house greener but we weren’t going to do it at  any cost.  

 

2024 – January. For the past few months I’ve been looking at Cornwall Insight to look at energy prices in the long term. I  came across one or two articles elsewhere saying that rates are not likely to be dropping significantly in the next decade  as the latest round of strike prices for power generation had been at a much higher level than previous due to the  significant bout of high inflation that we just had. In fact, with the strike price limit imposed by the NG ESO in the first  round not all the generation capacity was fulfilled. No one wants to build infrastructure at the old rates. On the Speak EV  forum I had been tracking comments about different tariffs (possibly the top issue for discussion these days) and  Octopus, and specifically Agile Octopus had come up quite a number of times. I found it was possible to download Agile  data as far back 2018. Using my Ovo usage data I could run that against the HH Agile rates (do a HH convolution) and  work out whether I would be better off or not.  

 

The results are In  

2018/19 is not representative of today’s level of green energy production.  

2020/21 was atypical due to Covid.  

2022 was horrendous in terms of pricing and I would have just broken even but peak rates were up to 75p a unit  (£350/MWH wholesale, For comparison the Hinkley C strike price was considered expensive at £92/MWH in 2012 )  2023 showed a marked decline in rates and less spiking and I would have saved about £200 over the year for the car but a  slight loss for the house.  

2024, however, showed the same downward trend and predicted of a saving of £350 for the car and £150 for the house. I  wasn’t expecting to save on house use. This is also with us not changing anything in the way we use power. Going back  to Power Move, I figured if I could do that with the ease (usually managed 7-8%) then moving to Agile Octopus was the  logical next step. I really want to stay with Ovo. I had been with them for 10 years and not had any regrets but I had no  way to move forward with them so, reluctantly, I click the button to switch to Agile Octopus.  

 

March - Octopus took over my meter readings and although it was a SMETS1 meter they did the transfer in the 14 days  they said they would. Since then a couple of things have happened. Firstly, the rates have continued to come down from  the January/February levels. In fact, the All-Day average price is running very close to 50% of what it was doing 12  months previously and that was on a decreasing slope from the highs in 2022. This means my early predictions are  underestimates and I could end up saving as much as £600 on a £1,200 electricity bill. The gas is a similar rate to the SVT  anywhere so no savings there. Well, that turned out to be wrong but for a totally unforeseen reason.  

 

The big (but smaller) light bulb moment 1  

The day ahead price is subject to very big dips on occasions when the unit price goes to near zero or even negative and it  like trying to imaging negative bank rates. Surely, if the bank rate were to go negative you would take out the biggest  possible loan that the bank would give you and rake in the money. It doesn’t take an Einstein to realise that when prices  are that low (or even negative) you can plug in an ordinary fan heater and heat the house that way. And for nothing.  Thank you B&Q for selling me a 2kW fan heater for £7. That paid back very quickly. I then pondered at what unit price it’s  cheaper to heat with a fan heater than the gas central heating. It turns out the formula is obvious and simple. It’s the gas  unit price (then 7.15p) divided by the boiler efficiency (75%). In my case it was 7.15 / 75% = 9.53p. Well, I’ll have as much  of that that you are offering thank you very much. Some nights the rates have been zero and the house is really toasty  warm in the morning. The fan heater goes on, the central heating goes off and it has cost me …. nothing and saved on my  gas bill and it’s greener because the wind is pushing all those big fans around.  

 

Hang on! Agile was about saving money on my electric bill but I’m now saving money on my gas bill as well. The problem  is it doesn’t happen that often but it’s better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.  

 

The big (but smaller) light bulb moment 2  

Moving on. Same as above but with near zero prices why not switch on the hot water tank immersion heater when prices  are low. I don’t have one at the moment but I’ve ordered one to go in my new tank for my new boiler. Same equation  applies but because this will only apply to the current tariff (6.18p) and new boiler efficiency (90%) it comes out as 6.13 /  90% = 6.8p. Now there aren’t many opportunities to do this but when you do have long periods of qualifying prices but  you can heat the tank to 80C (instead of 60C) and use it as a heat battery and save gas sometime after the Agile prices have risen again. You can opt for a higher price threshold to save more gas but the costs rise very steeply. For the  immersion heater and the fan heater to save money work you have to use these intelligently and they relate to the gas  margin price as I call it.  

 

The small (but huge) light bulb moment.  

BUT. Why are you using a fan heater when you could be using a heat pump which is at least three times more efficient?  Whoa there, you’ve got a short memory there buddy. We rejected the heat pump remember. BUT. We don’t need a  hugely expensive 7.5kW heat pump plumbed into a central heating system it can barely run. We can use a £800 air-air  conditioning unit that also works as a heater. An air-air heat pump (AAHP). Ok. If the heat pump is three times more  efficient (0.815 kW in / 2.93 kW out so a COP of 3.6) what is the revised formula to calculate the break-even price for gas?  Gas price (6.13p) divided by the gas boiler efficiency (90%) times the COP (3.6) for an AAHP.  

 

It’s now 6.13 / 90% x 3.6 = 24.5p. <Please insert your own phrase of sudden surprise here>.  

 

Now, of course this is not going to work with an SVT but the vast majority of Agile prices from midnight to 4pm (every  single day) are below 20p. We can now have electric heating at any time from midnight to 4pm. Apart from the coldest  days this will replace a lot of the gas heating during this time. After 4pm it goes back to gas. As a bonus (as if we needed  one at this point) it’s not only cheaper but greener. Instead of 100% gas we are now using 75% green energy. I’ve  estimated that it would save about 4-6,000kWh of gas during the winter heating season.  

There aren’t many HH  events that are priced at 10p or lower so the saving is  relatively small up to this point. From 10-15p there is a very  large number of events and you sort of reach the minimum  around 20-25p. After that there is a slow rise but only  because there are only a very small number of events above  20p. This result means you don’t even have to do  intelligent, price related heating if you restrict the operating period to 0-16:00pm. Of course, if the price should spike for some reason you can turn the air con off and use gas heating.  

The above graph shows the gas use before (red) and after (blue) the air-air heat pump is added. The smaller blue  plot is the gas usage after the 4pm cut off for the pump and before it comes back on at midnight. 

This is the average Agile rate for the first three months of 2023. You could tailor the timing to miss out the rise between  6am and 9am and this will reduce the loss due to higher rates but it will also cut out some of the opportunities to cut out  gas use. You can therefore make a decision to either optimise for cost or optimise for reducing gas usage (or somewhere  in between). Money or Green, you decide. As we are saving big time on charging the car and house usage this could be  optimised for gas reduction and utilise the whole of the 0-16:00 period. You could also include from 10pm onwards.

Gas heating will therefore happen between 4pm and midnight. There is no electricity usage for the AAHP between 4pm and midnight and particularly not during the peak. In our house we also have a wood burner so this takes over from 5pm to 11pm and generally keeps the gas central heating off during these times anyway. We still need the gas boiler for the majority of water heating.  

 

But in case you want more efficient water heating 

In looking for a heat pump version of a tank water heater I really wasn’t expecting to find one but you can actually get these. I think these are more popular in the USA. They cost about £1,400 but with the reduction in gas associated with heat the water (only about £150 gas usage over a year) there isn’t really a sufficient saving to make a business case for it. And it will be difficult to integrate this with a gas boiler. Well, I tried but not every idea works but, actually, there is still a more radical option at the end. Who said we still need a gas boiler?  

 

Where we are now  

So here we are, most of the way through April. We had another session of zero prices. My effective average tariff for the  car is now 8p a unit but that could go up again. The average tariff for the house is 10p. If I had been on Ovo this would  have been 27p earlier in the year and 24p now. The usage split between car and house is roughly 66% to 34%. The  savings split is roughly 72% to 28%. Because the average Agile price has continued to decrease the projection for the year  could as much as £700 for the car and house but could end up at £600. There was no cost to making this saving other  than changing my supplier.  

 

Invest to do better  

If I fit the AAHP that should save (from the graph) another £200 a year. The immersion heater will save £20/30 a year but  possibly more if we use it as a heat battery on occasions. The AAHP and immersion heater will save a lot of gas which  makes us a lot greener. We could be down to as low at 20% of the gas typically used in a four bedroom, detached house  with the occupants at home all day. 

 

What are the lessons from this?  

My son is an aircraft fitter. He repairs and modifies aircraft. He is a very skilled and experienced person. His favourite  saying is ‘Don’t force it use a bigger hammer’ (as a joke). The big hammer we have at the moment is the gas boiler. The  government would like to change it for another big hammer called a heat pump. The trouble with big hammers is that  they are not subtle tools and apart from a few jobs they are not suited to many roles. The obvious trouble with gas  boilers is they use gas. The hidden problem with heat pumps is they are generally unsuited to running a central heating  system in the average house. Heat pumps have no problem with running air to air because air has a very low viscosity and  flow rate is paramount in heat exchangers. For a heat pump to run a central heating system you would ideally have  28mm pipes everywhere and double panel radiators. This is fine if you set out to build a house this way but otherwise it’s  a bit of a compromise and retro fitting a heat pump into the average house can be expensive and it’s not going to pay  back in its lifetime even with a grant. Later on you won’t get grants. If it’s going to be expensive people are not going to  have them fitted. In contrast, AAHP are small, cheap can be DIY fitted and still have a COP of over three. You could have  a number of these distributed around the house so long as you have an outside wall. You just need the right tariff to run  them.  

 

This has been an incredibly interesting exercise reimagining what you could do if your electricity costs were significantly  lower than the SVT/Fixed Price and the biggest surprise was realising that lower electricity prices coupled with an AAHP  fitted in the lounge will significantly reduce gas usage and make the house greener.  

 

… to be continued in Part Two!

 

 

What an excellent summary!

I have been running my central heating in “Heat Pump” mode (50°C flow temperature) for several years now. When we moved into our house (in 1992) our annual gas consumption was just over 18,000 kWh. New boiler, 300 mm loft insulation, new windows etc. have all helped to reduce our gas consumption to under 9000 kWh. I fear that a heat pump survey would show that at least half of the radiators would need upgrading and the 10 mm microbore pipework would need replacing. I have thought about changing the hot water tank for a heat-pump ready version, but I don’t have a plant room and most won’t fit in our airing cupboard. I had thought of a Mixergy tank but again they are just too big!

The idea of an air to air heat pump had never occurred to me. Something to think about.

Thanks you.


I'm just surprised how long it took my brain to get engaged on this subject. I think it was the failure of the heat pump to come up with an affordable solution that made me think that I already knew there was a potentially better solution out there. That and not being able to use Charge Anytime and scrabbling around for another solution. AAHP arrives tomorrow!


Ahh, Firedog’s prompt has worked. Looking at a general overview of your findings and achievements, it’s nice to know other people are twisting and wrangling their brains to get more energy out of what already exists in our back gardens “so to speak”.

I have always been into trying as much as possible to be independant when thinking of how to both produce energy and to conserve it. We used to do shows out on open fields before we retired, and that is when I decided to use wet NiCd cells in the caravan rather than lead acid. I know they are far bigger and more expensive, but their reliability and lifespan outweighs that if long term use is required (as it was with us).

I built a wind turbine out of bits I had laying around, and bought a small PV and mounted that on the caravan roof. Anyhow, it meant that we could live off grid for up to a week depending on sun and wind, so when we retired we decided to re-use this kit at home and build a specific change over control to do it, and it works nicely.

Yes, the safety signage is in place along with circuit diagrams to show what is going on and what to isolate before working on it. I haven’t gone as technically routed as you seem to have, but looking at what we are saving by viewing the comparison between last years figures (while I was installing it all) to this years figures, I wouldn’t be surprised at getting very close to 40% saving on our electric bill. It is very handy being able to do the comparisons on the OVO site, it gives immediate figures which is handy when experimenting with this stuff like you & me. If we can encourage younger people to take up similar challenges, it all helps the cause.


@Rocksteady Welcome to experimenters corner!

Jenny, my wife, would forbid me building a wind turbine out of anything. I had a solar panel in the early 2000s sitting on the roof of our trailer tent to eke out the enegy from a 100AH leisure batery which would just about make it through two weeks on a campsite with no power.

 

I decided not to go solar or battery but got an EV instead and on Agile I'm doing about 3p/mile instead of 14p in an ICE. With the help of a load of data from  @BeePee and corroborating data of my own from my immersion heater it looks like I can break even on costs running fully electric and save about 1800kWh of gas a year. That is a big surprise to me but is due mainly to the fact that heating a hot water tank is only 60% efficient. More on that later.

 

The air-air heat pump (A2AHP) has been fitted and is an incredible piece of kit. It pushes out 3kW for an 800W input (measured on my IHD) but not cold enough to run now. But it does do cooling as well so a slightly more comfortable summer coming up.

 

Great to have your input on what you have done.

 

Peter

 

 


It’s good that we all approach things from different angles on whatever subject is being dealt with, that way ideas can be merged in different ways to achieve both a saving and a degree of job satisfaction to say “I’ve done it”, nothing feel nicer than sitting back at the end of a days technical achievement and enthuising over nice relaxing drink of your preferred refreshment (be that tea or something else)😊

I made my turbine out of a really old open frame Hotpoint washing machine motor. I removed the single stator (field winding) coil from the rectangular open horseshoe field iron, cut the centre coil bar from the iron and replaced it with a very strong permenant magned that had health warnings on it to warn against getting fingers between it and a piece of steel as its force would crush them.

Anyhow, just taking my output from the brushes, it will give me 100W in a good wind, not much but a nice experimental achievement. I am now in the throws of building another from a modern permenant magnet 3 phase inverter driven standard washing machine motor, it needs the coils re-connecting into a 3 phase parrallell arrangement to bring the voltage down to something useable via a 3 phase bridge, then all it needs is some wind.

My solar system consists of 4 x 200W panels, 2 at the front of the house south facing, and 2 at the rear side of the house west facing, they are connected as 2 in series at the front, 2 in series at the side, then these parrallelled up into the MPPT charger unit. That charges two banks of 11 wet NiCd cells totalling 355AH, the turbine being so small connects directly to the batteries as it never can boil them.

The battery banks are then connected to the Victron 1200 watt inverter, and the output from that then goes through my home built contactor change over system that monitors the charge level of the batteries and uses it accordingly.

A lot of stuff gets thrown away that can “with a little bit of tinkering” become very useful in a second life. Thanks for your welcome Peter, by the way, as you may have guseed from the handle, I’m Eddie.


Hey @Rocksteady 

 

I’m glad to see you’ve found a few of our fabulous volunteers with some very similar interest to yourself!

 

I’m really blown away at the fact you built your own wind turbine! I don’t suppose you’d be able to post a photo or 2 of this? We’d really love to see it and I’m sure the community would be just as interested.

 

It sounds like you’ve already done a lot of experimenting with generating energy, we’d love to here more on what you’ve maybe already done and absolutely feel free to post about any future experimenting you might get up to! We and our community would love to here about it all, and I’m sure some would have thoughts on that too, just like our volunteers have here.😁


Here it is, a bit clatchety, but all constructed from bits laying around from other odds of projects. I bought some new ally strip & made a new impeller that now doesn’t have the stabilising ring around the blades. Yes it cost a couple of bob for those bits, but when I see what others spend on their form of enjoyment, be it fishing, flying, cycling etc.etc. I don’t feel so bad about my little investments. My turbine isn’t pretty, but it does the job.

We met a man a few weeks ago on his narrow boat on the canal, he had various gizmo’s on his boat, thermal generators giving charging to his batteries from the heat of his chimney flue, a solar panel that turned to face the sun by itself, and a 20 foot pole with a wind turbine on it. We have seen many forms of alternative power generation on our boating travels, so why not implement some of them at home 'ehh?


Wow! Just wow!

 

See, this is the sort of thing that gets people engaged in the process of going green or even appreciating what Net Zero real means. Somebody actually making their own path and enjoying the process as well. I don't think it will be long before
@Emmanuelle_OVO will be on here before asking you to write a blog because I think you have plenty to share and I for one would want to read it. I think the blogs work well when you describe how you got into doing this. What was it that prompted you to start on this path because I think that is what resonates with people because these things stem from a need to do something. And it snowballs from there.

 

Peter

 


Well Peter, I grew up in houses with no bathroom, bucket & chuck it (dig your own hole) toilets, tin bath in front of the black lead grate, no electricity, pump your own water from the well, 9” thick solid "non cavity walls” that iced over on the wallpaper in winter with single glazing that had pretty patterns on it in winter. We had one open fire in the living room and we loved it. What a really lovely way to grow up, we made use of anything and everything, so for me it was a natural progression as time, experience and qualification moved forward to involve myself privately into such hair brained, do it yourself schemes. I have a wife who is equally enthiusiastic with my mad projects, and to be fair, that’s half the battle because when we talk to people, she talks it up rather than down. Her interest is very much as strong as mine, so much so that she will sometimes dream up some peculier idea, run it past me and then if it’s possible, together we make it work. I rekon that’s what a marriage should be, my mum & dad worked together in all sorts of ways to support themselves and us kids, also they would help anyone they could along their way. So basically, I think my unusual up bringing from the 1950s made me what I am.

 

Eddie


@Rocksteady What an impressive bit of DIY tech - I would go as far as to say I’d quite easily assume you’d have purchased that from a manufacturer its that clean!

 

Way ahead of you there @Peter E - I’ve PM’d Rocksteady not too long ago suggesting the very same thing! I agree, what an amazing thing to get people talking and engaging around this topic. 

It’s certainly easy, from an OVO employee perspective, to always point at products and services we provide to help customers be green as possible, but I am a massive advocate of driving the green message, encouraging people to do all they can (within their own power) to save energy, bring costs down and be more green. Both of these outcomes are not mutually exclusive from one another in my eyes.

 

Love it!


Thank you @Bradley_OVO for the message to @Rocksteady . It isn't even our individual approaches to being greener that will make a difference it's the fact that if you engage with the process you will most likely find your own way that suits you and you can manage the costs in a way that suits your budget and time scale. It seems we have slumped into a situation where we have passed over responsibility for going green to someone else and then when that standard solution proves to be too expensive you give up.

 

This is where @Rocksteady and me come from the same post-war place, the same single pane of glass with the interesting ice patterns on the inside, the lino floors and your newest friend is a woodlouse that just crawled out of the woodwork.

 

The big question is how do you promote intermediate solutions like an A2AHP instead of an ASHP (where appropriate) in the same way that PHEVs can be an intermediate solution for ending up at full BEV eventually. On that last point I was hoping that someone I knew would get a BEV first so I could see how it went. In the end I jumped first. It's a steep learning curve but I would never go back.

 

Peter


Well, please forgive me for my next (maybe stupid question) but I am unfamilliar with some of the letter & number abbreviations used here. While I am a retired electrical engineer, many of these modern terms leave me a bit baffled to the point of having to research them on Google to try to identify their meaning, and many times not coming even close. So, while I know it is quicker to use letters and numbers in place of descriptions, it can steal away the interest in the reading of it. I’m not saying that such terms shouldn’t be used, but if we are to attract others to want to pick up and learn something, I believe we might need to explain a bit clearer what it is we are referring to.

So for me personally, what are A2AHP, ASHP, PHEVs & BEV? Apologies for not knowing these things, maybe they will become more obvious when I’m told what they are (sorry).


Sorry. They are common abbreviations that are used in this type of discussion. You a absolutely correct in asking for them to be translated and it was remiss of me not to have included them.

 

A2AHP - Air to air heat pump. This is the most common type of heat pump around and they have quite a long history. They take air and push air out either hotter or cooler than the source.

 

ASHP - Air source heat pump. Take in air but heat water to go round a central heating system.

 

PHEV - Plug in hybrid electric vehicle. Has a conventional engine but can also run with an electric motor from a (small) battery that can be charged from an external supply. Related to an HEV - Hybrid Electric Vehicle. Like the PHEV but no ability to charge the battery from an outside source of power. Runs on the battery when at slow speed and charges the battery when running at high speed on the engine.

 

BEV - Battery electric vehicle. No conventional engine. Only a large battery that can be charged and an electric motor. I have a Zoe ZE40.

 

I worked in the railway industry where acronyms are completely rife like the incomprehensible SPADRAM - Signal passed at danger (without authority) remedial action meeting. Without acronyms we wouldn't actually have any time to do anything if we had to write or say everything out in full.

 

It's life Jim but not as we know it.

 


Aww man, thank you for that, I knew they weren’t medical terms, but try telling Google that😱. Anyhow, it looks like I’m going to get updated on my education, always a good thing to keep the old grey matter in working order.

My professional start was in the coal industry “down’t pit lad" with the NCB (National Coal Board) a vey good and in depth apprenticeship with indentures (slightly different than what I’m wearing). Anyhow, a lifetime of experience has been so valuable, my main call these days is generators of all sorts and sizes even in retirement, it seems that most people don’t want to go near them, but all it is is a rotating transformer changing one form of energy to electricity. About the only abbreviation I use is AVR “automatic voltage regulator”.
To add to Scotty’s remarks, Yer canny change the laws ‘o’ fizziks🤣


Star Trek all the way 😂


My professional start was in the coal industry ……. in depth apprenticeship …..

Nice one, I assume that the pun was intended.


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