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So, I got a smart meter as well.

This will help me to see how much I am consuming.

A bit like opening the meter box and write down the numbers, but in a far smarter way.

With a difference:

before the smart meter, you should have trusted my reading, worst case providing an estimate that is always in excess;

after the smart meter, I should trust the meter is sending you the correct numbers.

The smart meter has been advertised as a mean to avoid wrong estimates. Fair enough. If you trust my readings we avoid estimates.

You didn’t trust my readings or?

Or: you can avoid sending the guy to take down the numbers. Less CO2, fair enough.

Also, less costs for you.

That would mean cheaper bills. No way.

With the smart meter, users are actually working for you. Then must be paid back.

The smart meter is not a gift to me, is a gift to you, a valuable big data that should provide insights for a better management (or higher profits?) aiming to lower energy prices, but it doesn’t.

Energy prices are slowly going down, not quite as fast as they did when they went up.

The standing cost has increased, I wonder which is the mechanism behind the increase of standing costs.

I see on my bill, no nuclear energy and coal is used, 70% is provided by natural gas, almost twice the amount of the national average. And 30% from “renewables”. Fair enough.

We haven’t been given the choice to select a blend. Have we?

If I go to a store and want to buy an avocado and I see that the thing is quite expensive cause is coming all the way from a different continent, I decide not to buy it. I can still decide whether to put the heating on when outside is 5 degrees, but let me say that the latter leaves me far less options.

Renewable Energy Guarantees of Origin certificates have been just a fuss, any engineer on this planet would have said so, but the buy and sell process helped making profits on energy supply brokering.

“When you pop your kettle on, you don’t have any say over where that electricity comes from. It's whatever is nearest to you at the time.” - extract from  OVO website.

Fair enough. So what’s the point asking me to put the kettle on at greener times? What are the greener times? I suppose these are the times where the grid is not backed up by fossil fuels. Cool, then I will make my 5pm tea at 10pm, I will have dinner at 4pm, I’ll be night baking, we will all make laundry at 11pm so that the rattling drums will be heard by all seismographs and: and night time won’t be any further greener.

“When you pop your kettle on, you don’t have any say over where that electricity comes from. It's whatever is nearest to you at the time.”

Sure, but the price is the price that comes from a wholesale when Russia closed the pipes and some other “path to zero” committers, perpetrators, bombed the Nord Stream pipeline (it was not an accident). Is it that we are really paying for this? Is the kWh of power I am using to write this rant down, is it coming from there? No: It's whatever is nearest to me at this time.

So, I go to the store to buy flour but that’s still expensive because that wheat is the wheat that was bought when we didn’t have a grain deal. Right? No, It doesn’t work the same way, of course.

So, can I buy my kWh now? What’s the offer?

Can I see the price of a standing charge for the rest of the year?

Can I buy kWh from my neighbour?

Can I sell the kWh I have bought to a higher price or top up my neighbours that can’t earn enough money?

Can we know if you guys went short in the gamble and now you don’t know where to get the green extra bit for topping up the Teslas?

Now every company Ryanair-like minded makes reward plans, cash-backs,...: it’s something you can do to your dog that learned to retrieve the stick.

Rather: provide consumption thresholds and let me make the gamble. If I go short, next tariff is cheaper; if I go long, next tariff will be more expensive, or I can pay a forfait and avoid being thrown on a more expensive tariff.

Provide a fixed tariff plan with dates, with no exit fee;  you guys have a budget right?, we do have a budget as well, why should we pay your wrong budgeting? 

My suspect is that smart meters won’t help to have less CO2 emissions, or having a lighter bill, but carefully trimming tariffs and plans always on edge to maximise profits.

Or: provide evidence to the community that we are actually saving OUR money.

Feel free to escalate these critics to whom it may concern.

 

Wake up people, wake up.

 

 

Let me give you a really simple example of how my smart meter is saving me money and also reducing CO2 emissions.

 

Because I have a smart meter I'm able to have a tariff that varies the price during the day. When electricity use across the country is highest, in the early evening, I pay more and when it's lowest I pay less. By shifting my use away from the expensive period I save money ☺️💰

 

The peak times are when there is more generation from fossil fuels (in general... it isn't exact). By reducing my electricity use in peak times I reduce my CO2 emissions.

 

My tariff is really basic. There are more complex tariffs that change the price every half hour.

 


You haven’t addressed a single issue.

Sorry, but your reply is self-evident.

Think: you are one user. The community is based on SEVERAL users, where several are hundreds of thousands, millions, I don’t know, ask OVO, they have the answer.

If we all shifted electricity use away from the expensive period, then the grid will suffer a surge in the window that was formerly the greenest, needing a surplus backed up by fossil fuels, or “whatever is nearest to you at the time.” But using dynamic prices and a demand constantly under the lens, the provider could scramble tariffs and eventually better speculate.

So, to me that’s just a fool. You can’t limit the freedom of doing whatever you want whenever you want at your place.

Again, my suggestions are listed above, that’s a good starting point. That’s focused on the community.

The challenges, the path to zero, the million trees...fool’s gold.

 


The name’s 186… Blastoise186… I am one of the most active users of this community. In fact, some might say I am THE most active user here.

You are correct. There’s tens of thousands of users on this forum. In actual fact, you are the 47,959th user to join this community forum since it launched. I do not need to be OVO to tell you that fact, I just happen to know the forum provider extremely well.

You’ll be surprised how many people actually did shift usage over winter, the Demand Flexibility Scheme run by the National Grid was a huge success in preventing blackouts and other shortages. There are rules of course too, so I assert that suppliers can’t do what you claim - i.e. they’re effectively banned from just scrambling tariffs and speculating. And even if they weren’t, screwing over your customers with a foolish move like that is a sure-fire way to rapidly drain your entire customer book to zero.

So, can I buy my kWh now? What’s the offer?

Yep! You always have had that available. You’ll always know it based on the Tariff Information Label. Need another option? Easy! https://plans.ovoenergy.com . Done.

Can I see the price of a standing charge for the rest of the year?

Again, TIL has it, as does your contract and every bill. You can’t speculate future prices though and no-one has psychic powers, so no you can’t predict the future.

Can I buy kWh from my neighbour?

Sure! If you set up a private arrangement between yourselves. :)

Can I sell the kWh I have bought to a higher price or top up my neighbours that can’t earn enough money?

There’s ways of doing it if you know how and have the right kit. Except… You’re not allowed to make a profit off of it. Sooooo… Probably not worth it.

Can we know if you guys went short in the gamble and now you don’t know where to get the green extra bit for topping up the Teslas?

That’s not how it works. Besides… you can always get solar panels or battery storage. Tesla does that Powerwall thing, so you could just suck up loads of super green eco-juice when the sun shines and use that during times when there’s less green go-juice on the grid.

Now every company Ryanair-like minded makes reward plans, cash-backs,...: it’s something you can do to your dog that learned to retrieve the stick.

Really? I’ve yet to see Ryanair enter the energy market and I doubt any supplier would try such tricks. And besides, my super smart Border Collie X Labrador managed to learn various tricks and commands that he could do easily, but few other dogs ever could. Doesn’t make him more special than other dogs.

Mind you… Still not as impressive as the Border Collie X Labrador that my parents once had. He used to pick up entire telegraph poles and run with them...

Rather: provide consumption thresholds and let me make the gamble. If I go short, next tariff is cheaper; if I go long, next tariff will be more expensive, or I can pay a forfait and avoid being thrown on a more expensive tariff.

That’s luck of the draw and how the dice roll mate. And it’s been that way for decades. Ain’t gonna change anytime soon.

Provide a fixed tariff plan with dates, with no exit fee;  you guys have a budget right?, we do have a budget as well, why should we pay your wrong budgeting? 

Those are coming back slowly, now that gas prices aren’t insanely high all the time.

We’ve already answered basically all your other questions. You can find them on other threads as I don’t feel like typing them out at 11PM at night.


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