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EcoDan flow temp dropping over night at coldest time

  • November 21, 2024
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I have noticed that over night the flow temp drops a lot and our upstairs temps fall quickly.

Downstairs is very nice and warm.

Could anyone help explain what might be happening here?

My curve is 45@0 and 20@20. As you can see in the graph the flow temp was at its coldest when the temp outside was coldest. Graph is a 24 hour period.

 

Best answer by juliamc

Updated on 26/05/25 by Abby_OVO

 

Hmm. As I feared your installer had little interest in the running costs of your heat pump. That insulation is poor. You can improve matters and it won’t cost a huge amount. Screwfix, B&Q etc sell that grey foam pipe insulation. Your pipes there will be 28mm and poss 22mm. Every pipe that feels hot should be properly covered, as any gap will mean a little bit of heat loss.

 

It’s easy to cut with a bread knife or similar, cut at angles to fit it tightly together and round bends so there are no gaps. I used the little clips to hold it together as I found tape didn’t stick.

 

Make sure you keep a note of what it looked like before you make improvements and keep receipts if you’re going to demand reparations from your builder!!!

 

We’ve also got lots of other helpful topics from other users with Ecodans, check them out below for more:

 

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Chris_OVO
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November 22, 2024

Hey ​@razor

 

Thanks to ​@juliamc for supporting with this and hopefully we can get some answers for you soon 😊

Renewable energy jokes never get old.
juliamc
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November 22, 2024

@razor do you or any of your neighbours have any paperwork at all from MCS or details of the installer ? Or indeed the developer, builder, heating design engineer etc. 

razorAuthor
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November 22, 2024

@juliamc the company that provided the UFH is Therma Floor and the company that provided the heat pump and cylinder etc is Daly Group

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November 22, 2024

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juliamc
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November 22, 2024

The website for Daly Group makes no mention whatsoever of heat pumps !!! I wonder if they’ve ever installed them before, or since. They also don’t mention MCS, which if it had been a gas boiler upgrade they would have had to had accreditation from, so no help there. 
Are you able to remove an area of carpet and underlay in an upstairs room and feel if the flooring board it getting any heat ?

I think all roads lead to you getting back to the builders and heating company. Best to get your neighbours together to tackle this problem.

Do you have a service agreement for the Ecodan ? 

juliamc
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November 23, 2024

@razor shall I stop checking in on this thread? Are you still there?

razorAuthor
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November 23, 2024

@juliamc Hi!

we don’t have a service plan although we’ve been in a year so should sort that out. 
Many residents have put I a formal complaint in the last few days. The cold weather has highlighted how poor the performance is. My money is on the composition of the floor on top of the UFH. 

juliamc
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November 23, 2024
  1. get some better insulation on your outdoor pipe work, that’s the first place you’re losing heat and money 
  2. get the carpet and underlay up so it stops blocking the heat to the bedrooms 
  3. see if you can get a figure for the COP (coefficient of performance) from the Ecodan and use it to add to a formal complaint to the builder/developer. The COP ought to be at least 3.5 or thereabouts, higher would be better
razorAuthor
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November 23, 2024

Thanks. 
is there any comment on the thickness of the timber floor boards? As per the pictures above?

juliamc
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November 23, 2024

I read somewhere that 18mm thick was ok but that was on a diy forum, they said 25mm was too much. Haven’t heard from any installers (still hoping). You could post your pics on Facebook there’s an installer called Paul Spence who has a Fb page called Heat Pumps UK. 

Can you post a photo of the pipe work indoors, ie where those primary pipes come into the garage (I think you said that’s where your controller etc is).